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4 Jun 2021 22:55 |
Thank you for looking. I'm still on the trail of the original family name via this fascinating written account.
I'm really hoping that all will be revealed ............
:-)
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jun 2021 21:30 |
Sorry, I'm not seeing them in Brookline area c1940 - or at any time.
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2 Jun 2021 19:43 |
It has just come to light that the writer of this account may be referring to a rather general family name [HAYEK] but that the people he mentions may have had the surname of JOKL/JOKEL/JOCKEL. If yes, the wife's first name was Nelly and the husband's first name either Noah or Alois.
Digits crossed!
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10 May 2021 22:41 |
Thank you mgnv; that is really interesting.
I know that the writer of this account finally fled Austria in July 1939 and I am hoping that the people he is writing about would have left before war broke out.
I am still pursuing another angle on this and I will return to this thread when I know more.
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10 May 2021 17:18 |
The 1940 Census was taken on 1 April 1940. For privacy reasons, federal law required a 72-year wait for the census to be released. Thus, someone arriving from Paris on 8 Apr 1940 should not be on this census.
To use FS to search US federal censuses (with images), I use a link from: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Census_Online_Genealogy_Records
FS's full US collections are given by: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?fcs=region%3AUNITED_STATES&ec=region%3AUNITED_STATES
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8 May 2021 23:26 |
I'm still having a look at another slim chance of a lead and will return to this when I know more. :-D
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ArgyllGran
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8 May 2021 00:28 |
All that detail from the letter is fascinating - but sadly, no help.
The Boston City Directories have no entries for any of your Ormes at any time, and no Hayeks or similar around 1950 apart from Leo and his family members already listed..
The Gardner Museum is in Evans Way, Boston, and is about 4 miles SE of the Harvard Business School.
Brookline is approx 2 miles WSW from Evans Way.
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7 May 2021 21:35 |
Still hoping that an 'Ada Orme' may lead us to our elusive Hayek's.
It would appear that 'Karl/Karly/Karli' and his wife 'Susie/Susan' and 'Ada' -all ORME's - must live reasonably close to the Hayek's.
From other entries, it seems that the Hayek's can't live very far from Harvard Business School because the writer takes a taxi from there to the Hayek's. And they seem to live near to the Gardner Museum: "work on Times article, lunch at Hayek’s, then to delightful Gardner Museum with Leo in car. Back for tea, then visit to young MIT mathematician & wife w. Hayeks.".
There's that 'Leo' again but we can't link him to the right family.
While you're all digesting this, I'm going to go back to another very slim thought path .......... :-)
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ArgyllGran
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7 May 2021 18:34 |
I don't see those Ormes, I'm afraid.
In NY there's the Hayek/Kaminskky family posted by Maddie.
There's this family:
Richard Hayck in the 1940 United States Federal Census Name: Richard Hayck [Richard Hayek] Respondent: Yes Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Austria Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: New York, Kings, New York Map of Home in 1940: Street: Coney Island Avenue House Number: 3168 Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, Kings, New York Residence in 1935: New York Citizenship: Naturalized Sheet Number: 16B Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 354 Occupation: Agent House Owned or Rented: Rented Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 27 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: None Duration of Unemployment: 26 Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work Weeks Worked in 1939: 26 Income: 600 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Richard Hayck 45 Head Hildegard Hayck 38 Wife - Austria Otto Hayck 15 Son - Austria
Otto Hayck in the U.S., World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 Name: Otto Hayck Race: White Marital status: Single, without dependents (Single) Rank: Private Birth Year: 1924 Nativity State or Country: Austria Citizenship: Not Yet a Citizen Residence: Kings, New York Education: 4 years of high school Civil Occupation: Laboratory technicians and assistants Enlistment Date: 10 Jun 1943 Enlistment Place: New York City, New York Service Number: 32967793 Branch: No branch assignment Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men) Source: Civil Life Height: 98 Weight: 639
Or this one, 160 miles away from NY:
Mike Hayek in the 1940 United States Federal Census Name: Mike Hayek [Mike Hojek] Respondent: Yes Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Czechoslovakia Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: Dickinson, Broome, New York Map of Home in 1940: Street: Prospect Street House Number: 364 Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: Dickinson, Broome, New York Residence in 1935: Dickinson Citizenship: Naturalized Sheet Number: 6A Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 98 Occupation: Shoe Worker House Owned or Rented: Rented Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 22 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 6th grade Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 25 Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work Weeks Worked in 1939: 52 Income: 1100 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Mike Hayek 32 Head Apomena Hayek 34 Wife - Czechoslovakia Mildred Hayek 7 Daughter - NY
It's a pity we don't have any first names for your Hayek family.
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7 May 2021 17:11 |
Maddie, thank you for everything you've done.
Sadly, Brooklyn/Brookline are indeed 225 miles apart! And the curious thing is that we do have a Hermine Hayek in our close family line; but that was her maiden name and she was murdered in Therezienstadt. As they say, close but no cigar.
ArgyllGran, the written account begins on 19th January 1950 and the first mention of the Hayek family is when the writer and his mother visit them for dinner on 21st Feb: "Evening with Hayeks*, at Brookline; very nice & interesting, one takes up where one left off 12 yrs. ago.".
On 22nd Feb: "then drive with H’s round Boston on sightseeing trip, notwithstanding heavy snowfall. Tea at H’s house, where Karl Orme fetches us to have dinner at his house with his wife Susie & mother-in-law. Karly looks slim, happy & hen-pecked. Short call at Ada Orme’s." Karl/Karly/Karli features several more times in the account.
This might lead us to believe that the 'Orme's' live close by to our Hayek's and are known to one another. Does this help?
A couple of days later, the writer invites himself for the weekend with the Hayek's so this does continue to look like a close family connection. And they meet up several more times, too.
It is possible, of course, that the Hayek's weren't there in 1940. But one would guess that if they were all known to one another in 1938 in Vienna, and I know that the writer and his mother fled to England in 1939, the 'other' and elusive Hayek's would have made their way to the US at around the same time to avoid capture or worse.
I wonder whether the 'other and elusive' Hayeks may have settled initially in New York city itself before making their way out to Brookline? Are there any likely looking Hayeks in NYC in 1940? :-)
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7 May 2021 14:58 |
sorry thought it was a mispelling
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ArgyllGran
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7 May 2021 14:52 |
Re Maddie's last post - Brookline isn't Brooklyn. They're about 220 miles apart.
Nicola - in your opening post you said the letter was written in 1950. Does it give any indication of when the visit took place? How long before 1950? Perhaps the family weren't there in 1940.
I don't see any Hayeks (or close alternative spelling) in Brookline in 1940's-50s apart from Leo and his family members.
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7 May 2021 14:42 |
Max Hajek • Sex: Male Birth Date: 20 Sep 1888 • Birthplace: Wien, Österreich • Religion: Jüdisch Father's Name: Jochanan oder Johann Hajek • Father's Sex: Male Mother's Name: Johanna Bodascher • Mother's Sex: Female
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7 May 2021 13:43 |
?????? 1940 United States Federal Census . Name: Helen Kaminsky [Helen Hayek] Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1918 Gender: Female Race: White Birthplace: New York Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Daughter Home in 1940: New York, Kings, New York Map of Home in 1940: Street: Brighton 6 Street Inferred Residence in 1935: New York Residence in 1935: New York Sheet Number: 4B Mother's Birthplace: Austria Woman Marriages: No Number of Children Ever Born: 0 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year Native Language: Jewish Veteran: No Social Security Number: No Usual Occupation: None Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Max Hayek 51 Head Hermine Hayek 49 Wife Helen Kaminsky 22 Daughter Norman Kaminsky 24 Son-in-law
Name: Max Hayek Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Austria Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: New York, Kings, New York Map of Home in 1940: Street: Brighton 6 Street Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: New York Residence in 1935: New York Citizenship: Naturalized Sheet Number: 4B Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 77 Occupation: Operator House Owned or Rented: Rented Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 48 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 4th grade Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 35 Duration of Unemployment: 12 Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work Weeks Worked in 1939: 40 Income: 1800
1920 Name: Max Hayek [Max Hajek] Age: 31 Birth Year: abt 1889 Birthplace: Austria Home in 1920: Bronx Assembly District 5, Bronx, New York Street: Seabury Place Residence Date: 1920 Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1913 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Heimine Hayek Father's Birthplace: Austria Mother's Birthplace: Austria Native Tongue: Yiddish Able to Speak English: Yes Occupation: Pleater Industry: Dress Mfg Employment Field: Wage or Salary Home Owned or Rented: Rented Naturalization Status: Papers Submitted Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Max Hayek 31 Head Heimine Hayek 29 Wife Helene Hayek 2 Daughter Isadore Bardner 38 Brother-in-law Adolph Bardner 11 Nephew Helene Bardner 4 Niece
Name: Max Hayek Gender: Male Marriage License Date: 6 Jun 1914 Marriage License Place: Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA Spouse: Hermine Pineles
Name: Max Hayek Social Security Number: 058-07-0737 Birth Date: 20 Sep 1888 Issue Year: Before 1951 Issue State: New York Last Residence: 11367, Flushing, Queens, New York, USA Death Date: Jan 1971
1940 United States Federal Census
Name Helen Kaminsky Birth New York Residence 1940 Brooklyn, New York, Kings, New York, USA
Name Hermine Hayek Birth Austria Residence 1940 Brooklyn, New York, Kings, New York, USA
Name Max Hayek Birth Austria Residence 1940 Brooklyn, New York, Kings, New York, USA
Name: Max Hayek Race: White Marital status: Married Birth Date: 20 Sep 1888 Birth Place: Vienna, Austria Residence Date: 1917-1918 Street Address: 1483 Hoe Ave Residence Place: Bronx, Bronx, New York, USA Draft Board: 14 Physical Build: Medium Height: 5 Ft 6 in Hair Colour: Brown Eye Colour: Blue
passort application Name: Max Hayek Gender: Male Birth Date: 20 Sep 1888 Birth Place: Vienna, Austria Spouse: Hermine Hayek Certificate Number: 370852 emiigrated in 1913 photographs attached
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7 May 2021 13:21 |
Although I also posted for the surname 'GERO' on this thread for the 1940 census and I do have additional helpful information for that one, I would like to concentrate on these elusive HAYEK's first, please.
The writer of this account is so specific with the details [surname, Brookline district, etc.] that this family must surely be recorded in the census. And the writer states 'HAYEK's] plural, so there must have been at least two occupants of that address.
Hoping ................ :-)
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6 May 2021 22:04 |
Had a very helpful report back from my Czech family historian.
The Leo and Paul [Pavel] above are blood brothers with the same parents.
The not so good news is that they are not in our Hayek bloodline.
So it's back to the drawing-board on this one, please.
My mention that we may be looking for a 'Leo' could be a red herring. This name is mentioned in the written account but it's difficult to know whether it is connected to the Hayek surname.
The DEFINITE is that the Hayek's we are looking for were living in Brookline - that is clearly mentioned. And the phrase "one picks up where one left off 12 years ago" implies that they all knew one another well in Vienna in 1938. Followed by many more get-togethers at the house in Brookline.
Can you see any other Hayek's living in Brookline in the 1940 census? It's possible that it may be spelled with a 'j' as in Hajek.
I would love to solve this. :-)
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2 May 2021 14:11 |
I'm on it - just waiting for my Czech contact to do some verifying.
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ArgyllGran
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1 May 2021 23:47 |
For instance -
Louis Gers in the 1940 United States Federal Census Name: Louis Gers [Louis Gero] Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Austria Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: New York, Kings, New York Map of Home in 1940: Street: Empire Boulevard Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, Kings, New York Residence in 1935: New York Citizenship: Naturalized Sheet Number: 5B Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 110 Occupation: Salesman Industry: Wholesale Jewelry House Owned or Rented: Rented Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 37 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: College, 1st year Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40 Class of Worker: Working on own account Weeks Worked in 1939: 52 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Louis Gers 33 Head Rosali Gers 25 Wife Leneard Gers 1 Son
He's actually Hungarian:
Louis Gero in the New York, U.S., Naturalization Records, 1882-1944 Name: Louis Gero [Laslo Gero] Birth Date: 18 Feb 1907 Birth Place: Hungary Arrival year: 1909 Naturalization Record Type: Declaration of Intent Event Date: 24 Oct 1934 Event Place: New York, USA Court: Southern District, New York
Occupation: jewellery salesman Immigrated as Laslo Gero in 1909/
Laslo Gero in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 Name: Laslo Gero Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: Hebrew Marital status: Single Age: 2 Birth Date: abt 1907 Birth Place: Hungary Other Birth Place: Budapest Last Known Residence: Budapest, Hungary Departure Port: Hamburg Arrival Date: 31 Oct 1909 Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA Final Destination: New York, New York Hair Colour: Blonde Eye Colour: Brown Complexion: Fair Money in Possession: $50 Person in Old Country: Gottieb Joseph Person in Old Country Relationship: Father-In-Law Person in Old Country Residence: Miksante Budapest Person in US: Ignatz Grun Person in US Relationship: Father Father: Ignatz Grun Ship Name: Amerika
There are also other Austrian and Hungarian people named Gero.
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1 May 2021 23:38 |
In 1940, in other parts of NY State, there are lots of people called Gero (in Westchester, Bronx, Clinton, Queens, Oswego, Franklin, Saratoga, Kings, and Ulster, NY - maybe other places too). Mostly born in the USA, but a few in Hungary, Austria, Russia, Italy.
There are also people named Jero , Gera , Cero
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1 May 2021 23:26 |
Thank you!
Looking at those possibilities, the head of the households are all born in New York. It's going to be much more likely that they will be of European birth, e.g., Austria or Czechoslovakia, and will have emigrated to America.
Hoping another possibility will pop up - always optimistic, me! :-D
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