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28 Apr 2021 11:34 |
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DENIAL, AMELIA (AGE) 42 GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in WORTLEY UNION Volume 22 Page 503
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28 Apr 2021 11:33 |
First name(s) John Last name Denial Gender Male Baptism date 15 Sep 1833 Residence Ecclesfield, York, England Place Ecclesfield County Yorkshire Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Denial Mother's first name(s) Amelia
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28 Apr 2021 11:30 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Green Head, Wortley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Martha Deighton Head Widow Female 34 1817 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Ann Deighton Daughter - Female 12 1839 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Henry Deighton Son - Male 10 1841 Moulder Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England John Deighton Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Charles Deighton Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England William Deighton Son - Male 3 1848 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Mary Deighton Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England John Denial Father Widower Male 55 1796 Moulder Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England John Denial Brother Unmarried Male 17 1834 Moulder Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Mortomley Lane End, Ecclesfield, Wortley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Martha Denial Female 65 1776 Yorkshire, England John Denial Male 45 1796 Yorkshire, England William Denial Male 30 1811 Yorkshire, England George Denial Male 25 1816 Yorkshire, England Mary Denial Female 25 1816 Yorkshire, England George Denial Male 20 1821 Yorkshire, England John Denial Male 7 1834 Yorkshire, England Nancy Hobson Female 15 1826 Yorkshire, England
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28 Apr 2021 11:28 |
First name(s) John Last name Denial Residence Tankersley Marriage year 1814 Marriage date 26 Sep 1814 Spouse's first name(s) Amelia Spouse's last name Senior Spouse's residence Tankersley Marriage place Tankersley County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
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28 Apr 2021 11:10 |
First name(s) Alice Last name Hudson Birth year 1836 Birth date 29 Sep 1836 Baptism year 1838 Baptism date 24 Jun 1838 Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Abraham Father's last name - Mother's first name(s) Nancy*************************common diminutive of Ann County Yorkshire (West Riding)
First name(s) Harriet Last name Hudson Birth year 1837 Birth date 04 Jun 1837 Baptism year 1837 Baptism date 02 Jul 1837 Baptism place Rotherham, Minster Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Abraham Father's last name - Mother's first name(s) Ann County Yorkshire (West Riding)
?? First name(s) John Last name Hudson Birth year - Baptism year 1841 Baptism date 31 Jan 1841 Baptism place Wentworth Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Abraham Father's last name - Mother's first name(s) Ann County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England
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28 Apr 2021 11:02 |
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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Jump Bason, Wath upon Dearne, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Abraham Hudson Male 35 1806 Yorkshire, England Ann Hudson Female 25 1816 Yorkshire, England Harriot Hudson Female 4 1837 Yorkshire, England Allis Hudson Female 2 1839 Yorkshire, England John Hudson Male 0 1841 Yorkshire, England
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28 Apr 2021 10:53 |
Further info
First name(s) Alice Last name Hudson Age 20 Birth year 1834 Residence Park Marriage year 1854 Marriage date 31 Jul 1854 Marriage place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul Spouse's first name(s) John Spouse's last name Walton Spouse's age 21 Spouse's residence Park Father's first name(s) Abraham Father's last name Hudson Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Walton County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
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28 Apr 2021 10:46 |
First name(s) Martha Last name Howden Residence Ecclesfield Marriage year 1836 Marriage date 12 Dec 1836 Marriage place Sheffield, St Mary, Ecclesfield Spouse's first name(s) George Spouse's last name Wragg Spouse's residence Ecclesfield Father's first name(s) - Spouse's father's first name(s) - County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
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28 Apr 2021 10:41 |
First name(s) Martha Last name Platts Birth year 1818 Age 34 Death year 1852 Burial year 1852 Burial date 09 Nov 1852 Place Ecclesfield Church St Mary Denomination Anglican County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
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28 Apr 2021 10:41 |
A tree on Ancestry has an image of Martha Platts (nee Denial)'s death cert:
Died on 24 August 1866 at Greenhead, Ecclesfield. Age 49. Wife of John Platts, labourer. Cause of death: "Cancer in left breast, convulsions, not certified".
Deaths Sep 1866 (>99%) PLATTS Martha 49 Wortley 9c 119
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28 Apr 2021 10:40 |
First name(s) John Last name Platts Age 27 Birth year 1822 Residence Wharncliffeside Marriage year 1849 Marriage date 19 Feb 1849 Marriage place Sheffield, St Nicholas, Bradfield Spouse's first name(s) Martha Spouse's last name Wragg Spouse's age 30 Spouse's residence Grenside Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Platts Spouse's father's first name(s) Benjamin Spouse's father's last name Howden County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies Archive reference PR-44-3-3 Page 111 Record set Yorkshire Marriages
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28 Apr 2021 10:36 |
The second Martha (nee Denial) is said to be 44 in 1861.
Martha Denial England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Martha Denial Sex: Female Christening Date: 4 May 1817 Christening Place: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom Christening Place (Original): Ecclesfield, York, England Father's Name: John Denial Father's Sex: Male Mother's Name: Amelia Mother's Sex: Female
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28 Apr 2021 10:30 |
FACTS..........................
First name(s) Tom Last name Platts Age 19 Birth year 1861 Residence Greenside Marriage year 1880 Marriage date 13 Nov 1880 Marriage place Sheffield, St Mary, Ecclesfield Spouse's first name(s) Ellen Spouse's last name Walton Spouse's age 21 Spouse's residence Mortomley Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Platts Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Walton County Yorkshire (West Riding)
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28 Apr 2021 10:28 |
This could be the birth of Sarah Platts, in the 1851 census above - which would fit with the Wragg marriage:
WRAGG, SARAH mmn HOWDEN GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in WORTLEY UNION Volume 22 Page 649
George Wragg "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFBH-KYN : 13 March 2020), George Wragg, 1836. Name George Wragg Sex Male Spouse's Name Martha Howden Spouse's Sex Female Marriage Date 12 Dec 1836 Marriage Place Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom Marriage Place (Original) Ecclesfield, York, England
However, that's John Platt's first partner Martha - not Martha Denial, who was Tom's mother.
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28 Apr 2021 10:27 |
I had thought that Toms parents were George Platts and Elizabeth Stagg and that his grandparents were George Platts and Anne Hobson but then the trail became confusing plus a lot of information suggested that his parents were John Platts and Martha Denial. Just looking for more certainty on which ancestors to follow.
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28 Apr 2021 10:23 |
John Platts in the 1851 England Census Name: John Platts Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Platts Gender: Male Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesfield Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Grenoside County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Wortley Sub-registration District: Ecclesfield ED, institution, or vessel: 09 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 32 Piece: 2335 Folio: 202 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age John Platts 30 Martha Platts 32 Sarah Platts 10 - can't find her birth so far. William Platts 1 - this is the William born 1849, birth posted above.
Ancestry keeps trying to divert me to a couple named Matilda and John Booth Platts, who had a daughter named Sarah, but these are not the right people.
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28 Apr 2021 10:20 |
1861
Mortomley, Ecclesfield, Wortley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England John Walton Head Married Male 26 1835 Coal Miner Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Alice Walton Wife Married Female 22 1839 - Worsbrough, Yorkshire, England Clara Walton Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Ellen Walton Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
WALTON, ELLEN HUDSON GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 172
WALTON, CLARA HUDSON GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in WORTLEY Volume 09C Page 175
Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%) Hudson Alice Sheffield 9c 303 WALTON John Sheffield 9c 303
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28 Apr 2021 10:14 |
This, presumably, is the possible marriage latched on to by Ancestry treeholders
Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%) Platts John Wortley 22 539 Wragg Martha Wortley 22 539
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28 Apr 2021 10:10 |
1881 and 1891 censuses say Ecclesfield for both.
1901 census says Tom was born in Green Head, Yorkshire, and Ellen in Mortomley, Yorkshire:
Tom Platts in the 1901 England Census Name: Tom Platts Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Ellen Platts Birth Place: Green Head, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesfield Ecclesiastical parish: Chapeltown St John And Mortomley St Saviour Town: High Green County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration District: Wortley Sub-registration District: Ecclesfield ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: Piece: 4334 Folio: 101 Page Number: 9 Household Schedule Number: 57 Household Members: Name Age Tom Platts 40 Ellen Platts 40 - Mortomley John Willie Platts 19 Thomas Platts 17 Arthur Platts 16 Albert Platts 14 Ernest Platts 13 Colin Platts 10 Ruth Platts 8 Jane Platts 5 Hannah Platts 1 Lorance Walton 20 - relative, Mortomley Hannah Steples 14
1911 says Chapeltown for both of them:
Tom Platts in the 1911 England Census Name: Tom Platts Age in 1911: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Chapeltown, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesfield Country: England Street Address: 1 Chapel Rd Mortomley Nr Sheffield Marital status: Married Occupation: Collier Registration District Number: 508 Sub-registration District: Ecclesfield ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Piece: 27679 Household Members: Name Age Tom Platts 51 Ellen Platts 51 Arthur Platts 26 Albert Platts 24 Colin Platts 20 Ruth Platts 18 Janey Platts 15 Doris Platts 11 Bernard Platts 6 Nellie Platts 4
??? PLATTS, TOM mmn DENIAL GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 169
Tom Platts in the 1871 England Census Name: Tom Platts Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: 1861 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Ecclesfield Yorkshire England Civil parish: Ecclesfield Ecclesiastical parish: Ecclesfield Town: Grenoside County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Wortley Sub-registration district: Ecclesfield ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 36 Piece: 4656 Folio: 97 Page number: 9 Household Members Age Relationship John Platts 49 Head Will m Platts 21 Son Hannah Platts 19 Daughter Walter Platts 14 Son Tom Platts 10 Son
Tom Platts in the 1861 England Census Name: Tom Platts Age: 3/12 Estimated Birth Year: 1861 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Platts Mother's Name: Martha Platts Gender: Male Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesfield Ecclesiastical parish: Chapeltown County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Wortley Sub-registration District: Ecclesfield ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 238 Piece: 3458 Folio: 25 Page Number: 45 Household Members: Name Age John Platts 39 Martha Platts 44 Henry Deighton 21 - stepson John Deighton 16 - " Charles Deighton 14 - " William Deighton 12 - " Mary Deighton 10 - stepdaughter William Platts 11 Hannah Platts 9 Martha Platts 6 Walter Platts 4 Sam Platts 2 Tom Platts 3/12
PLATTS, WALTER mmn DENIAL GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 177
PLATTS, SAM mmn DENIAL GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 161
?? PLATTS, HANNAH mmn HOWDIN GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 22 Page 816
PLATTS, WILLIAM mmn HOWDEN GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in WORTLEY UNION Volume 22 Page 795
DEIGHTON, WILLIAM mmn DENIAL GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in WORTLEY UNION Volume 22 Page 784
The father John Platts seems to have had two partners - both named Martha ?? - can't see any marriages:
Martha Denial's first marriage:
Martha Denial in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Martha Denial Gender: Female Marriage Date: 15 May 1836 Marriage Place: Rotherham,York,England Spouse: Joseph Deaton FHL Film Number: 0496703, 0481067
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28 Apr 2021 10:09 |
Don't know what research you've done....................this is probably his birth
PLATTS, TOM DENIAL GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 169
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