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Possible death of Phyllis ???

MORTON, PHYLLIS 1922
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2007 in NORTH EAST LINCOLNSHIRE (5481A) Reg 1A001 Entry Number 254

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Henry Thomas Cliffe
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Henry Thomas Cliffe
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1920
Registration Date: Aug 1994
Registration District: Greenwich
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: D62
District and Subdistrict: 2291D
Entry Number: 83


A second marriage for Phyllis:

Marriages Mar 1952 (>99%)
Brown Phillis Morton Grimsby 3b 701
Cliffe Phyllis Morton Grimsby 3b 701
Morton William A Cliffe Grimsby 3b 701
Morton William A Brown Grimsby 3b 701


Possible death of second husband???

Deaths Dec 1974 (>99%)
MORTON WILLIAM ARTHUR 5AP1914 GRIMSBY 7 586

This is the marriage you mention:

Marriages Jun 1945 (>99%)
Brown Phyllis Cliffe Grimsby 7a 1901
Cliffe Henry T Brown Grimsby 7a 1901

WW2 service records are generally not online.
If she had joined up, she will not be anywhere on the 1939 Register (which isn't a census).

But a closed record is the most likely scenario.

If you have her death cert, you can apply to have her record opened.

Information here - see paragrah 10:
https://tinyurl.com/22ys2rnu

Hi all,
Thank you for your replies,I am just reading though them ,looks like on the 1911 living in 4 Graham Terrace as Mary was born in Norfolk and John in dormington on Bain ,I found that phyllis did marry in 1945 to surname Tom .?Cliffe ,but I cant find her in 1939 censor,a family member thinks she may have joined ATS ,if so I will have to go and look at military records ,but in 1939 she would be too young as only age 17,but as some records are closed on 1939 censor this may be why I cant find her.Thank you for all your help and research for me everyone ,I am very grateful for your help.regards sandra .

Thanks for the information, Sandra.

Good - we guessed correctly.

The 1939 entry for John Henry and family was posted by me yesterday at 21:44, and again today by Alviegal..

Phyllis is likely to be one of the closed records.

Her age isn't a factor in whether or not she's listed - that only applies to Electoral Rolls..
It's a question of when she died and whether or not her death has been notified to the people who update the 1939 Register.

see 1939 posted by alviegal
she is not on it
probably a closed record
maddie

Sorry for delay in responding ,had our son turn up for a visit yesterday and was out this morning,phyllis died in sept 2007 her parents were Mary Woodrow and John henry brown , I am not sure if phyllis will be on 1939 on the address as would be under aged 21 regards sandra

looks like phyllis m
Phyllis M
Last name Brown
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1954
Registration month -

Joseph H Newbold
Spouse's last name Newbold
District Grimsby

Name: Phyllis M Redfern
Registration Date: Jul 1954
[Aug 1954]
[Sep 1954]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Spouse: Joseph H Newbold
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 716

1939
7 Park Street, Cleethorpes, Cleethorpes M.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England
Annie M Brown 29 Nov 1890 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 271 1
John H Brown 22 Jul 1914 Male Fisherman Single 271 2
Phyllis M Newbold (Rodfley,Brown) 04 Oct 1922 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 271 3
The record for this person is officially closed.

Sylvia J Brown 26 Jun 1931 Female At School Single 271 5

Phyllis May
Last name Newbold
Gender Female
Birth day 4
Birth month 10
Birth year 1922
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1997
District North East Lincolnshire
District number 5481B
Register number B51C
Entry number 108
Date of registration mm/yy 0897

All guesswork until the poster comes back with the necessary info

Rose
Last name Brown
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1910
Age 0
Death quarter 3
Death year 1910
District Grimsby

Possible siblings of Phyllis.


BROWN, HERBERT HENRY WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 583

BROWN, ALICE WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 494

BROWN, NELLIE WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 567

BROWN, ROSE WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 626

BROWN, VIOLET WINIFRED WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 1211

BROWN, JOHN RONALD WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1915 S Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 1143

BROWN, RAYMOND JOSEPH WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1916 D Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 1066

BROWN, MARY WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1919 M Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 839

BROWN, CHARLES EDWARD WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1921 J Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 1214

BROWN, PHYLLIS WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1922 D Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 1060

BROWN, EDNA WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1925 J Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 1052

BROWN, JAMES WILLIAM WOODROW
GRO Reference: 1928 S Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 939

Name: Raymond J Brown
Registration Date: Oct 1916
[Nov 1916]
[Dec 1916]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Grimsby
Inferred County: Humberside
Mother's Maiden Name: Woodrow
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 1066

Name: Raymond J Brown
Registration Date: Oct 1939
[Nov 1939]
[Dec 1939]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Spouse: Nellie Barker
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 2622

Name: Raymond Joseph Brown
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: 10 Nov 1916
Registration Date: Apr 1982
[May 1982]
[Jun 1982]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Grimsby
Inferred County: Humberside
Volume: 7
Page: 0454

Name: James W Brown
Registration Date: Jul 1928
[Aug 1928]
[Sep 1928]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Grimsby
Inferred County: Humberside
Mother's Maiden Name: Woodrow
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 939

James W Brown
Registration Date
Apr 1951
Registration Quarter
Apr-May-Jun
Registration district
Grimsby
Inferred County
Lincolnshire
Spouse
Mary Spencer
Volume Number
3b
Page number
453

Name: James Brown
Birth Date: 1928
Death Date: 1988
Cemetery: Scartho Road Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Grimsby, North East Lincolnshire Unitary Authority, Lincolnshire, England
Has Bio?: N
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144282733/james-brown

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Home Farmyard, Withcall, Louth, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Brown Head Married Male 45 1856 Groom And Gardener (Domestic) Donington on Bain, Lincolnshire, England
Sarah Brown Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Market Stainton, Lincolnshire, England
John H Brown Son Single Male 19 1882 Gardener (Domestic) Donington on Bain, Lincolnshire, England
George E Brown Son Single Male 16 1885 Gardener (Domestic) Ranby, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Brown Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Ranby, Lincolnshire, England
Paul S Brown Son Single Male 9 1892 - Ranby, Lincolnshire, England
Alice Brown Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Withcall, Lincolnshire, England


1911 Census For England & Wales

4 Graham Terrace Garden Street Grimsby, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Henry Brown Head Married Male 29 1882 Domestic Lincs Dormington on Bain
Mary Brown Wife Married Female 27 1884 - Norfolk Tivershall
Herbert Henry Brown Son - Male 5 1906 - Lincs Louth
Nellie Brown Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Lincs Brackenborou




1939 Register

82 Spring Bank, Grimsby, Grimsby C.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England

Brown household
(5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
John H Brown 06 Jan 1882 Male Jobbing Gardener Married 40 1
Raymond J Brown 10 Nov 1916 Male Jobbing Gardener Single 40 2
The record for this person is officially closed.

The record for this person is officially closed.

James W Brown 19 Jun 1928 Male At School Single 40 5

The only reason I've concentrated on the Brown/Woodrow couple is that Phyllis Brown (mmn Woodrow) has no middle name, and Sandra didn't mention a middle name.

But that may be a red herring.
I hope Sandra will tell us the names of her Phyllis's parents.

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Lincolnshire
Place (Links to more information) Louth
Church name (Links to more information) St James
Register entry number 136
Marriage date 05 Jul 1904
Groom forename John Henry
Groom surname BROWN
Groom age 22
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation gardener
Groom abode 45 Northgate, Louth
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname WOODROW
Bride age 21
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 45 Northgate, Louth
Groom father forename Henry
Groom father surname BROWN
Groom father occupation gardener
Bride father forename Isaac
Bride father surname WOODROW
Bride father occupation foreman
Witness1 George Edward BROWN
Witness2 Elizabeth BROWN
Notes Banns
Transcribed by Jane Taylor
File line number 135

Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Lincolnshire
Place (Links to more information) Grimsby
Church name (Links to more information) St Barnabas
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 716
Birth date 30 Nov 1922
Baptism date 04 Mar 1923
Person forename Phyllis
Person sex F
Father forename John Henry
Mother forename Mary
Father surname BROWN
Person abode Grimsby
Father occupation Gardener
Transcribed by Mick Claxton
File line number 393

There are other Brown/Woodrow births in Grimsby , from 1912 onwards -

This family has at least two of them:

Raymond F Brown
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Raymond F Brown
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 10 Nov 1916
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 82
Residence Place: Grimsby, Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England
Occupation: Jobbing Gardener
Line Number: 10
Schedule Number: 40
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: TKAB
Borough: Grimsby
Registration district: 422-1
Household Members Age
John H Brown 57 - 6 Jan 1882, married, jobbing gardener
Raymond F Brown 23
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
James W Brown 11 - 17 June 1928, school.



Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Brown John Henry Louth 7a 1269
Woodrow Mary Louth 7a 1269



It's possible that Phyllis is one of the closed records - but we need you to come back with information about the parents, Sandra.

There were four Brown/Rix marriages 1912-1922 in Lincs.

Only one Brown/Woodrow marriage in that timeframe:

Marriages Mar 1920 (>99%)
Brown Robert A Woodrow Yarmouth 4b 2
Woodrow Ada Brown Yarmouth 4b 2

But I don't see them in Lincs in 1939.

And there are earlier Brown/Woodrow marriages.

NO result for DoB as given

My reason for asking when she died, is that the register wasn’t routinely updated after a certain year. Please make a note

Who were her parents?