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Thanks for your help. I’ve just ordered a copy. I’m excited to see what it says. Fingers crossed it’ll provide some clues ??
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Welcome to the boards, Catherine.
Just posting these for helpers' reference:
Alfred Hine
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alfred Hine
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Country: England
Street Address: 569 Attercliffe Common Sheffield
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Juier Clerk Steel Tountley
Registration District Number: 510
Sub-registration District: Attercliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Piece: 27991
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Hine 52
Harriet Hine 42
Eliza Hebblewhite 81 - mother
Beatrice Holland 24 - Worksop, Notts.
Beatrice L M Holland
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Beatrice L M Holland
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Ordsall
Ecclesiastical parish: Ordsall All Hallows
Town: East Retford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: East Retford
Sub-registration District: East Retford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 3122
Folio: 8
Page Number: 8
Household Schedule Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha E Holland 28 - single
Beatrice L M Holland 14 - single
Phoebe Holland 2 - daughter, Retford
HOLLAND, PHOEBE -
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 18
Beatrice's birth cert would give her mother's name ,which you also seem unsure of.
HOLLAND, BEATRICE LILY MAUD -
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 26
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a tree on ancestry suggests
but she would have been 68 and ancestry suggests he was born 1934
Name
Beatrice Holland
Registration Date
Jan 1955
Registration Quarter
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district
Ince
Inferred County
Lancashire
Spouse
James H Read
Volume Number
10c
Page number
1049
Household Members
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Do you have the 1911 birth cert? If not, download a pdf copy from the GRO site
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
READ, LILIAN MAY HOLLAND
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 699
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I’m trying to solve a family mystery and maybe track down some lost living relatives. My Great Grandmother was born in Sheffield (maybe) in 1911 and was raised by her ‘grandparents’ Harriet Ann and Alfred Charles Hine who she then cared for until their deaths in 1940 and 41. As far as we know these were her maternal grandparents but we don’t have a lot of information. After Grandma Lilian died we found a copy of Harriet Ann Hine’s (nee Holland) birth certificate in her possession but not her own birth certificate and nothing about her biological parents. We know Harriet Ann was born in Worksop in 1869 and had shares in the railway when she died. We know she was working in The Black swan on Snig hill in Sheffield in 1901 and we know she married Alfred Charles in 1907 aged 38.
*EDIT* she worked at the Black swan in 1891. I can’t find any record of her for 1901 so not sure what happened to her between 1891 and 1907
Here’s where it gets complicated. In 1911 (about a month before Lilians birth) the census lists Harriet and Alfred as married and living in Sheffield with a visitor named Beatrice Lily M Holland. We know from the 1891 census record that this is Harriets youngest sister born in 1887. However on the 1901 census Beatrice is living with another sister, Martha Ellen Holland. Her relation is listed as ‘niece’. Not sister. So which record is wrong?
We believe Beatrice may have been born to Harriet when she was only 18 and unmarried and so her parents raised her as their own recording her as their daughter on the 1891 census when she was just 4 years old.
This is just speculation but we think that Beatrice Lily may have been pregnant and staying with her mother and step father in Sheffield at the time the census was taken in 1911, giving birth shortly after and leaving her child with her parents to raise. We don’t have any other records to support the theory but we’d love to find out if any of this is true.
Great Grandma was told a story when she asked about her parents. Her father emigrated to Australia or New Zealand when she was a baby and her Mother followed him promising Harriet that she would send for Lilian when she had tracked him down and they were settled. But they never did or Lilian was never told.
The only clue we have to Lilians fathers identity is her maiden name Read. This is another point of confusion though as Great Grandma records her maiden name as Hine on her marriage certificate in 1931, then later as Read on her first child’s birth certificate in 1933.
If Beatrice is in fact Great Grandmas biological mother then it’s possible she went on to marry and have further children. We’d love to know if anyone has any information about her whereabouts or descendants after 1911. It’s been an unanswered puzzle for so long and something that upset Great Grandma her whole life. Can anyone shed any light?
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