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ArgyllGran
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25 Apr 2021 23:27 |
The 1912 travel record for Stanley Jeffery posted above by ErikaH is the correct one
He's travelling with his mother, Mrs E Jeffery, 49, and sister Kate 12.
On the line above them, but with a different ticket number, there's a Laura Jeffery 21
JEFFERY, LAURA EMMIE mmn YOUNG GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 202
JEFFERY, STANLEY FRED mmn YOUNG GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 481
JEFFERY, YOUNG KITTIE PRETORIA mmn YOUNG GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 774
That fits the 1911 census posted on page 1 by Rose.
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25 Apr 2021 18:28 |
Name: Betty Laura Jeffery Electoral Year: 1954 District: Island Bay Region or Province: Wellington with beatrice
with frank howes Name: Betty Laura Howes Electoral Year: 1963 District: Island Bay Region or Province: Wellington 9 wilson street
Name: Stanley Fred Jeffery Electoral Year: 1935 District: Wellington South Region or Province: Wellington with beatrice same address
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25 Apr 2021 17:45 |
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First name(s) Stanley Last name Jeffery Gender Male Age 17 Birth year 1895 Occupation Son Departure year 1912 Departure day 11 Departure month 11 Departure port London Destination port Port Chalmers Destination Port Chalmers Country New Zealand
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ErikaH
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25 Apr 2021 17:35 |
Who registered the birth?
What was the address on the cert?
Why would Beatrice 'folllow' her child's father.............and leave that child behind?
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ArgyllGran
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25 Apr 2021 09:48 |
A suggestion:
??? John Hy Read in the 1901 England Census Name: John Hy Read [John Hy Reed] Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Father: Thos R Read Mother: Hannah Read Birth Place: Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: East Retford Ecclesiastical parish: East Retford St Swithin Town: East Retford County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street Address: 1 Chancery Lane Registration District: East Retford Sub-registration District: East Retford ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 3121 Folio: 35 Page Number: 26 Household Schedule Number: 162 Household Members: Name Age Thos R Read 42 Hannah Read 42 John Hy Read 16 - telegraph clerk Thos A Read 13 Frank Read 12 Ada Read 9 Agnes Read 9 George Brammer 15
Ancestry suggests a link to this NZ burial - which, of course, may be a completely different person:
John Henry Read in the New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007 Name: John Henry Read Death Age: 82 Birth Date: abt 1887 Death Date: 16 Feb 1969 Burial Place: Auckland Cemetery : Waikumete
Address: Ranfurly War Veterans Home, 539 Mount Albert Road, Three Kings. Labourer. Cremated 18/-2/1969, scattered 19/02/1969
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Catherine
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25 Apr 2021 00:52 |
So I now have my great grandmothers birth certificate and I was right! Beatrice is grandmas mother! Her father is listed as a John Henry Read and his occupation is recorded as Valet. I wonder if they shared a workplace? I’ve pretty much confirmed that Beatrice did in fact go to Wellington and Beatrice Lily Maud Jeffery is Grandmas Mother. Now that leaves me questioning what happened to John Henry Read? If Beatrice followed him to New Zealand then what happened between then and 1917 when she marries Stanley F Jeffery? I’d love to trace Grandmas Father and see if that offers any clues but I’ve hit a wall. Any suggestions?
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18 Apr 2021 13:50 |
1939 "fairview" Uppingham Road, Houghton On The Hill, Billesdon R.D., Leicestershire, England Albert E Spencer 25 Apr 1910 Male Working Confectioner (Cake Maker) Married 142 1 Lilian M Spencer 27 May 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 142 2 Audrey Measom (Spencer) 02 Feb 1933 Female At School Single 142 3 Alfred C Hine 27 Apr 1858 Male Retired Married 142 4
Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%) Hine Lilian M Spencer Sheffield 9c 1064 Spencer Albert E Hine Sheffield 9c 1064
Her marriage cert won't help - get the birth cert,and hope that the person registering it was truthful
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Maddie
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18 Apr 2021 12:34 |
a tree on acestry suggests these are beatrices children
Betty Laura Jeffery 1931–1975 Birth 1931 • Wellington, New Zealand Death 11 SEP 1975 • Lower Hutt, Wellington, New Zealand
spouse frank howes
Joan Jeffery –2015 Birth Unknown Death 24 MAR 2015 • Wellington, New Zealand
Muriel Emily Bunnie Jeffery –1988 Birth Unknown Death 12 NOV 1988 • Wellington, New Zealand
Stanley William Jeffery –1992 Birth 15 DEC • Newtown, Wellington, New Zealand Death 12 AUG 1992 • Palmerston North, Manawatu-Wanganui, New Zealand
tree owner Catherine K***** Stapenhill, Burton, Staffordshire, is that your tree
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Maddie
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18 Apr 2021 12:04 |
the brother Name: Albert Beckett Holland Age in 1911: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Ordsall Search Photos: Search for 'Ordsall' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Country: England Street Address: 6 Tunnel Road Retford Marital status: Married Occupation: Goods Depty Registration District Number: 426 Sub-registration District: East Retford ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 20206 Household Members: Name Age Albert Beckett Holland 31 Jane Holland 33 Florence Holland 9 Gladys Maude Holland 5 Elsie Holland
daughter elsie 1939 Name: Elsie Shaw Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 16 Apr 1909 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 19 Residence Place: East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 17 Schedule Number: 131 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: RNFE Borough: East Retford Registration district: 426/1. Inferred Spouse: Joseph Shaw
possble a son born in nottiinham in 1941
florence 1939 Name: Florence Blythe Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 29 Jun 1901 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 11 Northfield Way. Residence Place: East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 4 Schedule Number: 127 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: RNFE Borough: East Retford Registration district: 426/1. Inferred Spouse: Roy Blythe Household Members Age Roy Blythe 42 Florence Blythe 38 Albert B Holland 60
there does not appear to be any children
gladyis
1939 2 Northfield Way, Retford, East Retford M.B., Nottinghamshire, England Robert C Doughty ? ? 1906 Male L N E Railway Fireman Married 147 1 Gladys M Doughty 12 Feb 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 147 2 Alfred J Muxlow 03 Jun 1914 Male Called Up, Lne - Railway Single 147 3
cant see any children
brother john w Name: John William Holland Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Registration Year: 1881 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 0 Registration District: Worksop
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2021 09:51 |
Aha! I posted the 1969 ER for Betty and Frank .
In 1981 Frank is at 47 Poto Road, and also a Trevor Stanley Howes.
In 1978 Trevor Stanley (a student) is at 47 Poto Road - and so is Frank, but interestingly, one on each of two different ER documents.
ADDED: If you Google his name, there's a 2019 record for someone of that name in Napier applying to the Licensing Committee for a Manager's Certificate.
Also a Linkedin record of someone ( no middle name given) who went to school in Hutt Valley and whose CV sounds like the man in Napier. There's an email address.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2021 09:33 |
The cemetery record does say "A loved wife and mother".
Can't find any birth records, though.
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Catherine
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18 Apr 2021 00:30 |
Thanks ArgyllGran. That’s really interesting. It doesn’t explain the name Read but it definitely fits the story and timeline Grandma was told. Looks like Betty was maybe their daughter too. I wish there was a way to confirm any of it. I wonder if Betty had any children that might know their family history?
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17 Apr 2021 22:55 |
Beatrice Lily Maud Holland in the New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1937 Name: Beatrice Lily Maud Holland Gender: Female Marriage Year: 1917 Marriage Place: New Zealand Spouse: Stanley Fred Jeffery Relation: Bride (Wife) Folio Number: 2430
Stanley Fred Jeffrey in the New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007 Name: Stanley Fred Jeffrey Burial Place: Wellington Spouse: Beatrice Lily Maud Jeffrey
In one grave: Stanley Fred Jeffery died 5 Oct 1962 at 68 years, also his beloved wife Beatrice Lily Maud, died 18 April 1967 at 77 years. Betty Laura Howes, died 11 Sept 1975 at 44 years. A loved wife and mother.
Don't know if Betty is a relation or not.
Betty Laura Howes in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981 Name: Betty Laura Howes Electoral Year: 1969 District: Western Hutt Region or Province: Wellington
With Frank Howes, flooring contractor, at 47 Poto Road, Normandale.
Frank Howes in the Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave Index, 1800s-Current Name: Frank Howes Birth Date: 1924 Death Date: 29 Nov 1988 Cemetery: Karori Cemetery and Crematorium Burial or Cremation Place: Wellington, Wellington City, Wellington, New Zealand
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17 Apr 2021 22:25 |
This must be Stanley. HIs probate record lists him as a retired printer:
Name: Stanley F Jeffery Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Event Place: Tonbridge, Kent, England, United Kingdom County: Kent Parish: Tonbridge Urban Sub-District: Tonbridge Sub-District Number: 2 District Number: 50 Enumeration District: 7 Registration District: Tonbridge Sex: Male Age: 15 Marital Status: Single Marital Status (Original): SINGLE Occupation: PRINTER ASS Number in Family: 8 Birth Year (Estimated): 1896 Birthplace: Bexley, Kent Relationship to Head of Household: Son Schedule Type: 23 Page Number: 1 Registration Number: RG14 Piece/Folio: 45 Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/04080/0045/4
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Frederick W Jeffery Head M 45 Tonbridge, Kent Emily James Jeffery Wife F 48 Leigh, Kent Laura E Jeffery Daughter F 20 Croydon, Surrey Stanley F Jeffery Son M 15 Bexley, Kent Young Kitty P Jeffery Daughter F 10 Tonbridge, Kent William E Morgan Boarder M 30 Cardiff Wales, Glamorganshire Ritchard Minn Boarder M 28 Beccles, Suffolk Amyr Mor Hett Boarder F 50 Buckenden, Kent
Record Type: Household Line Number: 4
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17 Apr 2021 22:17 |
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Name: Beatrice Holland Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 8 Jul 1913 Event Place: Wellington, New Zealand Event Place (Original): Wellington, New Zealand Age: 25 Occupation: domestic Birth Year (Estimated): 1888 Departure Date: 1913 Departure Place: London Departure Port: London Arrival Port: Wellington (other ports also listed) Ship Name: Arawa
Digital Folder Number: 004466026 Image Number: 00033
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17 Apr 2021 21:07 |
Throwing this into the mix.
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Beatrice-Lily-Maud-Holland-Jeffery/24117574
Birth is 3 years off but there is the NZ connection.
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17 Apr 2021 13:35 |
William Last name Holland Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1862 Registration month -
William Holland married one of these people
Elizabeth Cole, Caroline Wright District East Retford District number -
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17 Apr 2021 13:33 |
Harriet was working at the Black Swan in 1891, not 1901:
Harriet Holland in the 1891 England Census Name: Harriet Holland Gender: Female Age: 23 Relationship: Servant Birth Year: 1868 Birth Place: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Sheffield Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Residence Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Registration District: Sheffield Sub registration district: West Sheffield ED, Institution or Vessel: 1 Neighbors: Piece: 3814 Folio: 9
I don't see her in 1901.
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17 Apr 2021 13:23 |
Beatrice Holland in the 1891 England Census Name: Beatrice Holland Gender: Female Age: 4 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1887 Father: William Holland Mother: Elizabeth Holland Birth Place: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Worksop Ecclesiastical parish: St John Residence Place: Worksop, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Registration District: Worksop Sub registration district: Worksop ED, Institution or Vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 2643 Folio: 131 Household Members: Name Age William Holland 46 Elizabeth Holland 48 Charles W Holland 24 Martha Holland 20 Albert Holland 10 Beatrice Holland 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
HOLLAND, HARRIET ANN mmn COLE GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 28
HOLLAND, ALBERT BECKET mmn COLE GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 23
HOLLAND, JOHN WILLIAM mmn COLE GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 26
Harriet A. Holland in the 1881 England Census Name: Harriet A. Holland Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: William Holland Mother: Elizabeth Holland Gender: Female Where born: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Worksop County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street Address: Railway Station Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Worksop ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: Piece: 3306 Folio: 8 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age William Holland 38 Elizabeth Holland 40 Caroline B. Holland 13 Harriet A. Holland 12 Martha E. Holland 7 Jane Holland 6 Albert B. Holland 1 John W. Holland
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17 Apr 2021 13:19 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Station Road, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England William Holland Head Married Male 46 1845 Foreman Railway Shunter Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Elizabeth Holland Wife Married Female 48 1843 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Charles W Holland Son Single Male 24 1867 2nd Derbyshire Army Reserve Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Martha Holland Daughter Single Female 20 1871 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Albert Holland Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Beatrice Holland Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Martha Ellen Last name Holland Birth quarter 2 Birth year 1872 Mother's maiden name Cole District Worksop County Nottinghamshire Country England Volume 7B Page 28
Albert Beckst Last name Holland Birth quarter 3 Birth year 1879 Mother's maiden name Cole District Worksop
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