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James
Last name Shard
Birth quarter 1
Birth year 1865
Mother's maiden name Barlow
District Bolton
County Lancashire

John Robert
Last name Shard
Birth quarter 1
Birth year 1860
Mother's maiden name Barlow
District Bury
County Lancashire

William
Last name Shard
Birth quarter 3
Birth year 1861
Mother's maiden name Barlow
District Bury

Name: James Shard
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1866
Residence Date: 5 Apr 1892
Station: Widnes
Company: Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire
Description: Staff register: Joint Lines 1852 - 1901

I'm really sorry I've not been back on before but started back work today fir the first time in 12 months of furlough. Should have finished earlier but things ran over.
Thank you everyone for your help.
I have Robert and Elizabeth's marriage certificate from 1912 and it does say he is 28 and a widower.
Been trying to find another marriage for him.

The birth that you posted for 1884 is a strong possibility and I think I will send for the certificate.

It made matters worse that he married his cousin another Shard.

Thank you all once again x

EDIT:

Just realised Maddie has already done the research below - sorry, Maddie - but I'lll leave it for the record.

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So if he married his cousin, his father (or mother) must have been a sibling of Elizabeth's father, John Shard.

That's not an easy family to find, either.

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SHARD, ELIZABETH mmn MILDREN
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in BURY BURY AND LANCASTER Volume 08C Page 670

The brother John Henry who witmessed Elizabeth's marriage:

SHARD, JOHN HENRY mmn MILDREN
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 663

This is the only Shard/Mildren marriage I can see:

Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
Mildren Beatrice Prescot 8b 1013
SHARD John Robert Prescot 8b 1013


John Henry's only with his parents in 1891 - and Elizabeth isn't with them at all:



John R Shara
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John R Shara
[John R Shard]
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1861
Spouse: Beatrice Shara
Child: John H Shara
Rosina Shara
Birth Place: Radcliffe, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Widnes
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: Widnes, Widnes, Lancashire, England
Registration District: Prescot
Sub registration district: Farnworth
ED, Institution or Vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 3013
Folio: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John R Shara 30
Beatrice Shara 25 - St Austell
John H Shara 3
Rosina Shara 1


John Robt Shard
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John Robt Shard
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Beatrice Shard
Birth Place: Ringley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Widnes
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Widnes
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Suttons Lane
Occupation:
Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: Widnes
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors:
Piece: 3514
Folio: 154
Page Number: 5
Household Schedule Number: 18A
Household Members:
Name Age
John Robt Shard 42
Beatrice Shard 34 - Cornwall
Rosina Shard 11
Grace Shard 1


John Robert Shard
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Robert Shard
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kearsley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St Helens
Country: England
Street Address: 277 Derbyshire Hill Rd Parr
Occupation: Coal Collier Dataller Below Ground
Registration District Number: 456
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 53
Piece: 22807
Household Members:
Name Age
John Robert Shard 50
Beatrice Shard 46
Grace Shard 12
Joseph Shard 8
Martha L Burns 5
John Hynes 50


In 1901 John Henry is with his grandparents, who are sometimes called Mildren and sometimes Daniels.

John Shard
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John Shard
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Widnes, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Widnes
Ecclesiastical parish: St Ambrose
Town: Widnes
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: Widnes
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Neighbors:
Piece: 3513
Folio: 57
Page Number: 1
Household Schedule Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John Daniels 55
Grace Daniels 54
Susan Daniels 18
Gilbert Daniels 16
Annie Daniels 15
John Shard 13




His mother Beatrice with her parents:

Beatrice Mildren
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Beatrice Mildren
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Mildren
Mother: Grace Mildren
Gender: Female
Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Widnes
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 37 Gerrard Street
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Prescot
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 3724
Folio: 70
Page Number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mildren 35
Grace Mildren 34
Beatrice Mildren 15
Ann M. Mildren 13
Rossina Mildren 10
John J. Mildren 5
Lucy Mildren 3


Beatrice Daniels
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Beatrice Daniels
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: 1866
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Mount Charnes Cornwall England
Civil parish: Widnes
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 383
Piece: 3859
Folio: 42
Page number: 76
Household Members Age Relationship
John Daniels 25 Head
Grace Daniels 24 Wife
Beatrice Daniels 5 Daughter
Hannah M Daniels 3 Daughter
Rose Ann Daniels 1/12 Daughter

So, assuming that John Robert Shard was Elizabeth's father, even though she's not on the censuses -

looking for his siblings, one of whom should be Robert Shard's parent -


John R. Shard
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John R. Shard
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Howarth
Mother: Sarah Howarth
Gender: Male
Where born: Radcliffe, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Widnes
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 51 Lacey St
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Chemical Laborer (Man Chem)
Registration District: Prescot
ED, institution, or vessel: 11a
Neighbors:
Piece: 3725
Folio: 52
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
William Howarth 38
Sarah Howarth 40
Elizabeth Howarth 5
John R. Shard 21 - wife's son





John R Shard
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John R Shard
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Pilkington Lancashire England
Civil parish: Radcliffe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Radcliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 84
Piece: 3962
Folio: 58
Page number: 18
Household Members Age Relationship
John Barlow 66 Head
Elizabeth Barlow 64 Wife
Sarah Shard 32 Daughter
John Barlow 25 Son
John R Shard 11 Grandson
William Shard 9 Grandson
James Shard 6 Grandson
Elizabeth Beckett 22 Boarder
George Hopkinson 24 Boarder


John R Shand
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John R Shand
[John R Shard]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Shand
Mother's Name: Sarah Shand
Gender: Male
Where born: Pilkington, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Pilkington
Ecclesiastical parish: Ringley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Bury
Sub-registration District: Pilkington
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 89
Piece: 2856
Folio: 34
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Barlow 57
Betty Barlow 55
Joseph Barlow 17
John Barlow 15
Henry Shand 20
Sarah Shand 23
John R Shand 1
Abraham Openshaw 21
Hannah Openshaw 20
John S Openshaw 5/12


Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
Barlow Sarah Manchester 8d 665
Shard Henry Manchester 8d 665


SHARD, JOHN ROBERT mmn BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in BURY LANCASHIRE Volume 08C Page 429

SHARD, WILLIAM mmn BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in BURY LANCASHIRE Volume 08C Page 427


SHARD, JAMES mmn BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 232

James is with his grandparents in 1871, along with his siblings - posted above, and also on page 1 by Maddie.


The marriage which Carter suggested in the opening post:

James Shard
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: James Shard
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 1039
Records on Page:
Name
Ann Elizabeth Jones
James Shard


and leading on to the 1908 death already posted.


Remarriage of Ann Elizabeth:

Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)
Davies William Shard Runcorn 8a 381
Shard Ann E Davies Runcorn 8a 381

You refer to Robert and Elizabeth as ‘cousins’ - what is the factual basis for this statement?

It was known by family members. Elizabeth's sister in law who was a witness on their marriage later became the mayoress of St Helens. It seems she was said to be embarrassed by Robert and Elizabeth's marriage.

Elizabeth Shard
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: Elizabeth Shard
Age in 1901: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: Radcliffe, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Rhyl
Town: Rhyl
Ecclesiastical parish: Rhyl Holy Trinity
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: The Royal Alexandra Children's Hospital and Convalescent Home, 68 East Parade
Registration District: St Asaph
Sub-registration District: St Asaph
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 68
Piece: 5236
Folio: 29
Page Number: 16



Elizabeth Shard
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Shard
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Radcliffe, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Southport
Country: England
Street Address: 245 Portland St Southport
Marital status: Single
Occupation: General Servant (Domestic)
Registration District Number: 457
Sub-registration District: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 22892
Household Members:
Name Age
Victor Francois Samuel 44
Ethel May Samuel 20
Irene Adelaide Samuel 1
Elizabeth Shard 18

Carter

Your opening post has Robert’s birth date as 1904

ErikaH
that was a typing error and I apologise but the correct year is 1884.

Hello everyone

Thank you so much for all your contributions.
I have learned a little more from a family member and Robert Shard born 1884 Widnes was in the navy. On the 1939 census it says Royal Navy Pensioner.
He died in 1955 . He had gone to the barber for a haircut a few days before Christmas and was knocked down by someone on a bike and he broke a rib that punctured a lung and he died on Christmas day 1955.
His wife Elizabeth left him when the children were small and no one knew what happened to her. She left the children with Robert.
When i have been messaging the only person left in the family that might have some recollection she said that although family said that robert and elizabeth were cousins she now couldnt confirm that and it might have just been a rumour !!!
I have found Robert on 1901 and 1911 cenus in the navy but cant find any documents of his enlisting that might give his next of kin
again thank you all for your help x

record at national archives

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Reference: ADM 188/367/210394
Description:
Name Shard, Robert
Official Number: 210394
Place of Birth: Widnes, Lancashire
Date of Birth: 05 August 1884
Date: [1900]
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Former reference in its original department: Vol No.210-1
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

date and period of c.s engagements 3/8/1902 12 years
looiks like period of service started 5/06/1900 hms caldonia

if he was born robert monaghan he was born illegitimate
note he was stepson to james smith in 1891

You said you were going to send for the Monaghan birth cert - have you done so?

mary ann 1881
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
106, Atherton Street, Windle, Prescot, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Tubman Head Married Male 25 1856 Chem Lab Ireland
Martha Tubman Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Ireland
William Howden Brother In Law Single Male 28 1853 Chem Lab Ireland
Thomas Howden Brother In Law Single Male 26 1855 Chem Lab Ireland
Richard Howden Brother In Law Single Male 24 1857 Chem Lab Ireland
James Veitch Boarder Single Male 26 1855 Chem Lab Ireland
Mary A Monaghan Servant Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Ireland

ErikaH I have sent for it but only last week as I didn't have the funds till then .
Maddie I have those records off Ancestry but thank you

woke up to this message this morning .

I am descended from Mary Monaghan who gave birth to Robert Shard before she married my gt grandfather James Smith. You are correct that Robert Shard was the illegitimate son of James Shard who I believe was working on the railway in Widnes. Robert Shard was registered as Robert Monaghan when he was born. When his mother married James Smith she changed Roberts surname to Smith. However Robert went on to serve in the Navy under the name Robert Shard and did not to my knowledge use Smith or Monaghan in later life. I know he married and had a son called Harold born in 1922. When Robert marries in St Helens he marries Elizabeth Shard daughter of John Shard. Robert gives his father as James Shard and the witnesses are Shards too so it looks as though he was in contact with his fathers family.
I hope this all helps. If you need any more help let me know

Big Big Thank You to all of you for your input. I would never have cracked this one without you all
ErikaH you were the one who led us on this trail . You are a superstar
Thank you all so so much

Just looking at some records and I have found the army records of James Shard. he joined the army 9th september 1884 so just weeks after Robert was born. He was 18 years old , It gives his next of kin as his brothers John Robert Shard living in Widnes and William Shard living in Radcliffe lancashire. John Robert Shard is the father of Elizabeth Shard who later married Robert Monaghan/Smith/Shard.

Delighted that you've got all the info you needed.................... :-) :-) :-)

Name: Robert Monaghan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1890
Death Age: 60
Registration District: Wexford
Volume: 4
Page: 523
FHL Film Number: 101596