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19 Mar 2021 11:35 |
Jane Clara Lewis was born in 1847 in Claverley, Shropshire. She married David Harvey on 14 November 1869 in Erdington, Birmingham. It would appear that her Father was William Lewis born in Kemberton, Shropshire in 1817.
It would seem that her Mother's name was also Jane (born in Worfield??) but Ancestry suggests that Jane was also a Lewis so I'm struggling to trace them back.
Many thanks.
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19 Mar 2021 11:39 |
Ancestry trees are very unreliable.
There are trees on all sites where someone has given the mothers married name when they don’t know her maiden name.
You will need to track down Jan’s fathers marriage to see if that is the case or if her mother was actually also a Lewis before she married.
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ErikaH
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19 Mar 2021 11:42 |
No second forename for the woman on the marriage cert
Name: David Harvey.........................widower Gender: Male Age: 30 Birth Date: abt 1839 Marriage Date: 14 Nov 1869 Marriage Place: Erdington, St Barnabas, Warwickshire, England Father: Thomas Harvey Spouse: Jane Lewis Age: 27 Birth Date: abt 1842******************************************************** Father: William Lewis..........Occ: Engineer
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ErikaH
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19 Mar 2021 11:44 |
The father of Jane Lewis born c1847 was an Ag Lab.
You seem to have entirely the wrong person
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ArgyllGran
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19 Mar 2021 11:47 |
For our reference:
Jane Lewis in the 1851 England Census Name: Jane Lewis Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Lewis Mother's Name: Jane Lewis Gender: Female Where born: Claverley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Claverley Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Bridgnorth Sub-registration District: Chetton ED, institution, or vessel: 5d Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 50 Piece: 1986 Folio: 513 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age William Lewis 34 - Kemberton Jane Lewis 31 - Worfield Mary Ann Lewis 9 Sarah H Lewis 6 Jane Lewis 4 William Lewis 1 Hannah New 27 - visitor, Worfield Alfred New 6 Mary Ann New 1
Jane Lewis in the 1861 England Census Name: Jane Lewis Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: 1847 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Claverley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Worfield County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Bridgnorth Sub-registration District: Worfield ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 69 Piece: 1851 Folio: 99 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Mary Wilson 55 Richd Wilson 25 Edith Wilson 20 James Wilson 19 Fanny Wilson 17 Frances M Beaston 7 Mary Biddle 45 Jane Lewis 14 Thos Cauley 20
LEWIS, JANE mmn MARTIN GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in BRIDGNORTH Volume 18 Page 27
LEWIS, WILLIAM mmn MARTIN GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in BRIDGNORTH Volume 18 Page 33
?? LEWIS, MARY ANN mmn MARTIN GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON AND SEISDON Volume 17 Page 335
??? Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%) LEWIS William Wolverhampton &c 17 283 MARTIN Jane Wolverhampton &c. 17 283
There's no mention of a middle name for Jane junior.
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ArgyllGran
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19 Mar 2021 11:58 |
Ancestry's suggestions are only that - suggestions - and not to be taken as truth without further investigation.
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ArgyllGran
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19 Mar 2021 12:19 |
This is the woman who married David - who may or may not be the same one as above:
Jane Harvey in the 1891 England Census Name: Jane Harvey Gender: Female Age: 50 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1841 Spouse: David Harvey Child: Fred C Harvey William A Harvey Arthur L Harvey Birth Place: Claverley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul Residence Place: Aston, Aston, Warwickshire, England [7 Upper Thomas Street ] Registration District: Aston Sub registration district: Aston Manor ED, Institution or Vessel: 47 Neighbors: Piece: 2435 Folio: 39 Household Members: Name Age David Harvey 51 Jane Harvey 50 Fred C Harvey 15 William A Harvey 12 Arthur L Harvey 2
Jane Harvey in the 1881 England Census Jane Harvey Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: David Harvey Gender: Female Where born: Bunbury, Shropshire, England [ no such place - maybe Broseley ?] Civil Parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: No 7 Laurel Place Upper Thomas St Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Registration District: Aston Sub registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Neighbors: Piece: 3044 Folio: 86 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age David Harvey 41 Jane Harvey 36 Elizabeth L. Harvey 10 Alice Harvey 8 Frederick Harvey 5 William Harvey 2
HARVEY, ELIZABETH LEAH mmn LEWIS GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 336
HARVEY, CHARLES FREDERICK mmn LEWIS GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 411
HARVEY, WILLIAM AUSTIN mmn LEWIS GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 423
HARVEY, ARTHUR LEWIS mmn LEWIS GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 351
Arthur L in 1901:
Arthur L Harvey in the 1901 England Census Name: Arthur L Harvey Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Brother Gender: Male Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Manor Ecclesiastical parish: Aston by Birmingham St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Aston Sub-registration District: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 56 Neighbors: Piece: 2888 Folio: 120 Page Number: 5 Household Schedule Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Talboys 29 Charles A Talboys 7 Alfred W Talboys 2 Clara J Harvey 54 - Claverley William A Harvey 22 Arthur L Harvey 12
YOB of Jane (with later added name Clara) varies from 1841 to 1849 in these three censuses, and her death:
. Clara J Harvey in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Clara J Harvey Death Age: 68 Birth Date: abt 1849 Registration Date: Jul 1917 [Aug 1917] [Sep 1917] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Aston Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 467
She's also Clara Jane at Elizabeth's baptism in 1870:
Elizabeth Leah Harvey in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1919 Name: Elizabeth Leah Harvey Age: 0 Birth Date: 26 Sep 1870 Baptism Date: 13 Nov 1870 Baptism Place: Aston Brook, St Mary, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Aston Brook, St Mary Father: David Harvey Mother: Clara Jane Harvey
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Maddie
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19 Mar 2021 12:37 |
Jane Last name Lewis Birth year - Baptism year 1846 Baptism date 27 Dec 1846 Denomination Anglican Place Claverley Father's first name(s) William Mother's first name(s) Jane Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire Register type Baptism Register date range 1846-1900 Archive reference P68/A/2/2 Page 5
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Mary Anne Last name Lewis Baptism year 1842 Baptism date 03 Apr 1842 Baptism place Pattingham, St Chad Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) William Mother's first name(s) Jane County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D5823/1/1 Page 17
Sarah Hannah Last name Lewis Baptism year 1844 Baptism date 02 Jun 1844 Baptism place Pattingham, St Chad Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) William Mother's first name(s) Jane County Staffordshire
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ArgyllGran
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19 Mar 2021 12:51 |
Maddie has posted the baptism of the Jane in 1851 census above - mmn Martin.
Hannah New , the visitor with the Lewises in 1851, is a sister of the mother Jane:
Hannah's children's births:
NEW, ALFRED mmn MARTIN GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in KIDDERMINSTER Volume 18 Page 386
NEW, MARY ANN mmn MARTIN GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in KIDDERMINSTER Volume 18 Page 445
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ArgyllGran
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19 Mar 2021 13:04 |
The only sticking point as to whether or not Jane Lewis (1846) in the 1851 census is the same woman who married David Harvey is her father's occupation.
He's an engineer at her marriage in 1869, but an agricultural labourer in 1851. Perhaps she exaggerated?
I don't see her father convincingly after 1851.
Possibly his death?
LEWIS, WILLIAM 42 GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in BRIDGNORTH Volume 06A Page 481
If he died when she was a child, she probably didn't remember him well..
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Maddie
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19 Mar 2021 13:20 |
William Last name Lewis Birth year 1816 Death year 1858 Death date ? ? 1858 Age 42 Burial year 1858 Burial date 28 Jan 1858 Burial place Claverley Denomination Anglican County Shropshire Archive refererence P68/A/4/1 Page 160 Register type Burial
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ArgyllGran
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19 Mar 2021 13:37 |
Possibly also her mother's death ?
LEWIS, JANE 40 GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in BRIDGNORTH Volume 06A Page 395
The children do all seem to be scattered after the 1851 census.
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Maddie
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19 Mar 2021 13:45 |
William Last name Lewis Birth year - Baptism year 1850 Baptism date 27 Feb 1850 Denomination Anglican Place Claverley Father's first name(s) William Mother's first name(s) Jane
William Last name Lewis Age Full Marriage year 1871 Marriage date 20 Aug 1871 Marriage place Claverley Denomination Anglican Residence Aston Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Lewis Spouse's first name(s) Eliza Spouse's last name Knowles Spouse's residence Aston Spouse's age Full Spouse's father's first name(s) Joseph Spouse's father's last name Knowles County Shropshire Register date range 1837-1900 Archive reference P68/A/3/5 Page 124
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Maddie
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19 Mar 2021 14:17 |
William Last name Lewis Name note - Marriage year 1840 Marriage date 31 May 1840 Marriage place Wolverhampton Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Lewis Spouse's first name(s) Jane Spouse's last name Martin Spouse's age - Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Martin Residence Wolverhampton, Stafford, England County Staffordshire Country England
Jane Last name Martin Gender Female Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1820 Baptism date 12 Nov 1820 Residence Worfield, Shropshire, England Place Worfield County Shropshire Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Martin Mother's first name(s) Elisabeth Mother's last name Martin
William Last name Lewis Birth year - Baptism year 1815 Baptism date 18 Sep 1815 Denomination Anglican Place Kemberton Father's first name(s) William Mother's first name(s) Sarah Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire
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