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Thanks ArgyllGran, I'll have to go through this - so many Birchalls, got my head spinning. I have no idea who this Ann Aspinall is - I've tried all kinds of combinations but nothing works. Maybe I'll just have to accept it and move on.

John & Margaret Birchall in 1841:

John Birchall
in the 1841 England Census
Name: John Birchall
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Prescot
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helen
Neighbors:
Piece: 517
Book: 5
Folio: 30
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Birchall 55 - brewer
Margaret Birchall 45
Susan Birchall 10
John B Birchall 2
Joseph Birchall 20
June Woolfall 20 - servant
Margaret Critchley 15 - servant

In 1861, this is the only Birchall in Nut (now with one t) Grove:

James Birchall
in the 1861 England Census
Name: James Birchall
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: 1856
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Prescot, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 121
Piece: 2754
Folio: 105
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Smith 46
Thomas Smith 20
Elizabeth Smith 14
James Birchall 5


Possible birth??

SMITH, JAMES -
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 474

Or this ??

BIRCHALL, JAMES -
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 470

In 1851, in Nutt (Nott ?) Grove, Sutton , there's a John Birchall, 68, brewer, born in Prescot, and his wife Margaret, 56, born in Sutton.

There are four households whose address is Nutt Grove, and they follow on immediately after the end of the Sutton Heath households.


John Birchall
in the 1851 England Census
Name: John Birchall
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1783
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margret Birchall
Gender: Male
Where born: Prescot, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Sutton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 66
Piece: 2195
Folio: 230
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Birchall 68
Margret Birchall 56
Jane Woodfall 30 - servant
Ellen Woodfall 27 - servant


No Aspinalls in Sutton Heath or Nutt Grove.

Sutton Heath was a road back then.

Rose

It just says Sutton Head for both Thomas and the registrant.

Was there an address for where Thomas died?

Rose

I have a baptism for a Thomas Birchall on 10 May 1854 in Farmworth, to Thomas Birchall and Indiana Nield. I couldn't find him in the census but I did find a death for him in 1854. I got a copy of the death certificate and it says he died 22 September 1854 in Sutton, St. Helens. It says he was the son of Thomas Birchall a waterman but the person who registered the death is Ann Aspinall. Indiana died in July 1854 and Thomas didn't re-marry until 1855, so I'm wondering who Ann Aspinall might be. All the children were born in Farnworth, Widnes, but Thomas died in St. Helens. His grandfather, Joseph, lived in St. Helens so I'm wondering if maybe he was with relatives there. Any suggestions?

Up-date ... I ordered the Prescot death certificate and just received it. It says Thomas, a waterman, died 27 August 1861 at Crow Wood, Widnes, of typhus and pneumonia, and Joseph Birchall of 2 Welsh Row, St. Helens, was present at the death.
I googled Crow Wood, Widnes, and one time it used to be an isolation hospital, so I guess that would fit.

He's not marked as deceased in 1868, at Annie's marriage - but that doesn't necessarily mean anything:

Annie Berchall
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Annie Berchall
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1850
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 May 1868
Parish: Farnworth, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Thomas Dennell
Spouse Age: 19
Father: Thomas Berchall, waterman
Spouse Father: James Dennell
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Annie and Mary Ellen are his, but Frank, Blanche and William can't be, if he died c1861.

BIRCHALL, MARY ELLEN mmn NEILD
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 816

BIRSHALL, ANNA mmn NEILD
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 729

Blanche doesn't seem to exist at all, except in 1871.

I guess it’s the Prescot certificate then.
If he did indeed die in 1861 then it means the children with Millicent aren’t the his!

Thanks everyone.

For our info.


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Dowards Cottages, Widnes Farnworth, Prescot, Lancashire & Cheshire, England

Millicent Birchall Wife Married Female 29 1832 School Mistress Derby, Derbyshire, England
Annie Birchall Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 Scholar Widnes, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen Birchall Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 Scholar Widnes, Lancashire, England




1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Cooper Street, Runcorn, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Millicent Birchall Head - Female 41 1830 - Derbyshire, England
Blanche Birchall Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Cheshire, England
William Birchall Son - Male 2 1869 - Cheshire, England
Thomas Stanley Boarder - Male 72 1799 - Lancashire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

64, Bk Chapel Street, Little Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England


Millicent Birchall Head Widow Female 49 1832 - Derby, Derbyshire, England
Frank Birchall Son Single Male 16 1865 Iron Fitter Runcorn, Cheshire, England
William Birchall Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Andrew Allen Lodger Single Male 37 1844 General Labourer Renfrewshire, Scotland

Before 1974 Widnes was a sub-district of Prescot Registration district.

Kath. x

My mistake - wasn't aware of that

I still say get a copy of the PRESCOT death cert if you wish to put the matter to rest

There is a Farnworth in Bolton area but the Farnworth where Thomas lived was near Widnes.

Farnworth is BOLTON area

Just found a burial for Thomas in Farnworth for 28 August 1861, age 47. This could be the one mentioned above.
If so, then who was father of Blanche and William - no wonder we can't find any birth reference for them.

I guess the River Mersey brings us back to Runcorn, Widnes or St. Helens areas, so maybe I will have to get a certificate to see if that’s any help.

On the night of the census, April 7th 1861, the vessel Julia, belonging to St Helen, was on the River Mersey. Thomas and Joseph Birchall were on board.

This is according to the Census Form for Vessels that was given out.