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Frank
Last name Mayes
Birth year 1905
Birth date 16 Dec 1905
Event year 1911
School name West Hartlepool Throston Board Infant (Boys)
Town Hartlepool
County Durham
Country England
Parent name(s) John Henry
Book type Admissions
Archive reference CC_ED_254

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Frank
Last name Mayes
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1964
Registration month -

Jean Taylor
Spouse's last name Taylor
District West Hartlepool

Frank
Last name Mayes
Gender Male
Birth day 16
Birth month 12
Birth year 1905
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1992
District North Cleveland

Hilda
Last name Mayes
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1940
Registration month -

Leslie F Watt
Spouse's last name Watt
District Durham South Eastern

Hilda
Last name Watt
Gender Female
Birth day 8
Birth month 10
Birth year 1912
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1985
District North Cleveland

Leslie F A
Last name Watt
Gender Unknown
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1917
Age 52
Death quarter 1
Death year 1969
District Hartlepool
County

they had 2 children

Thank you Maddie much appreciated

an exxxtra on son frank if you do not have it

Frank
Last name Fullerton
Birth year 1912
Admission year 1928
Age 16
Trade Carpenters & Joiners
Union name Amalgamated Society Of Woodworkers
Union branch Hartlepool
Union branch as transcribed Hartlepool
County Durham
Country England
Archive
Modern Records Centre
Archive reference MSS.78/ASW/2/1/8/1
Title Admissions Book
Dates 1928
Information contained English & Welsh branches A-L: By branch: new union members joining branch; members transferring away from branch (with original branch joined and branch transferring to listed)
No of volumes 1
Record set Britain, Trade Union Membership Regist

The birth was illegitimate

PICKNELL, MARY ANN -
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 322

Ruth Ann
Last name Fullerton
Death year 1935
Death date 27 Jun 1935
Probate year 1935
Probate date 10 Aug 1935
Residence town Hartlepool
Registry Durham
County Durham
Linked persons Frank Fullerton
Country England

1939

54 Malton Street, Hartlepool, Hartlepool M.B., Durham, England
John H Mayes 24 Jul 1874 Male Shipyard Joiner Married 222 1
Mary A Mayes 12 Sep 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 222 2
Frank Mayes 16 Dec 1905 Male Chemical Works Labourer Single 222 3
Hilda Watt (Mayes) 08 Oct 1912 Female Shop Assistant Confectionery Single 222 4
Eveline M Marsden (James,Poole,Mayes) 03 Nov 1918 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 222 5

1911
54 Malton St Hartlepool, Throston, Durham, England
John Henry Mayes Head Married Male 36 1875 Ship Joiner Durham Hartlepool
Mary Ann Mayes Wife Married Female 36 1875 - Sussex Worthing
Elsie Mayes Daughter Single Female 15 1896 - Durham Hartlepool
John Edwin Mayes Son - Male 13 1898 School Durham Hartlepool
Doris Lilian Mayes Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Durham Hartlepool
Frank Mayes Son - Male 5 1906 - Durham Hartlepool
Winifred Mayes Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Durham Hartlepool
Miriam Mayes Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Durham Hartlepool
Frank Mayes's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MAYES, FRANK PICKNELL
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 154

Mary A
Last name Mayes
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1875
Age 66
Death quarter 2
Death year 1941
District Durham South Eastern
County Durham
Volume 10A
Page 245

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PICKNELL, MARY ANN -
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 322

Have you found a baptism for Mary Ann?

Maybe her father will be named there..?

I searched for someone in my extended family, shown with the family surname and living with them as their daughter in 1891 census.
Her age suggested that she was born before their marriage, but I couldn't find her birth ( b. 1882 ) in her father's surname or that of his wife before marriage.

It turned out that she was the child of another mother entirely and was registered under HER surname, as her parents weren't married. Sadly, the child's mother died soon after the birth.
No man was shown in the father column, but luckily for me, Edward ( shown as her father in 1891 census) registered the birth and gave his status as father.

Although the child was brought up as Edward's daughter, when she married it was in her birth name.... and strangely no name shown for her father, although his sister was one of the witnesses.

Sometimes you have to explore all clues to get the information you need.

Once again thank you you have been a great help much appreciated

In 1901, they had Elsie John and Ernest
By 1911, they had added Doris, Frank, Winifred and Miriam, and Ernest had died.

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As a matter of info, the MMN was PICKNELL,the name she used when she married, so Mary’s father was NOT Budd. Find her birth yourself under the name PICKNELL

Thank you for your help these sisters where my grandmothers half sisters There was three of them I did go back on free bmd and still had no luck I really appreciate your advice thank you

Thank you for your help these sisters where my grandmothers half sisters There was three of them I did go back on free bmd and still had no luck I really appreciate your advice thank you

You need to use the GRO site to look for Mayes births. They married in 1895 - freebmd doesn’t show MMN on births until late 1911
Or look at 1901 and 1911 censuses

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Thank you yes that is my budd family

Thank you for letting me know Ruth had a son the other couple was Mary and Charles Mayes I will try again on free bmd .

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

27, Bedford Street, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Budd Head Married Male 52 1829 Sailor Littlehampton, Sussex, England
Eliza Budd Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Chalvington, Sussex, England
Harriett Budd Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Hartlepool, Durham, England
Mary A Budd Daughter Single Female 6 1875 - Worthing, Sussex, England
Eliza E Budd Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Hartlepool, Durham, England
Ruth A Budd Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Hartlepool, Durham, England

If you want people to look for the other couple, tell us when they were born

Ruths’ son is on 1939 - unmarried. Find his birth on freebmd - there’s only one