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Hi ErikaH

Thank you. Yes I noted the occupation you provided when they married and should have thought about that when I posted about Abdul earlier. Basic mistake - sorry.

Nicki

Did you notice the info I posted about Abdul's occupation when he married?

WILLIAMS, ABDUL BANKS
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 181

Thanks ArgyllGran

The full record from FS:

John Or Abdul Williams Or Ranm
Massachusetts, Boston Passenger Lists, 1891-1943
Name: John Or Abdul Williams Or Ranm
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1921 [ another page says Aug 18, 1921 ]
Event Place: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
Sex: Male
Age: 22
Birth Year (Estimated): 1899
Birthplace: G Britain
Ship Name: Clan Matheson


The image says:
"Abdul Ranm known as John Williams."
He's a sailor.
Single.
Can't read or write.
Nationality: Gt Britain.
Race: Hindu
Last permanent residence: 2 years in Liverpool, England.

Thoughts please:

I have no idea if this relevant to Abdul but I have just found this on findimypast:

Williams Or Ranm
John Or Abdul
1899
—
1921
United States, Passenger And Crew Lists
Americas

i did manage to get photos of graves of my grandparents from FIBIS which was a good find.

;)

Not only you ;-) ;-) ;-)

Erika

Thank you.

I do struggle with India and it is a constant brick wall.

Nicki

Nothing further on FMP about Leonard, and no death in the UK which appears to fit

Abdul was 30 years old when he married........occupation: Merchant

Interestingly the only info about his father is the name ESSA - no other name, whereas the bride's father has forename and surname recorded.. The assumpton that his surname was Williams has been made on familysearch and on Ancestry - without foundation

Thank you all for your help so far ;).

Erika i was doing a random search on famiysearch yesterday to see if I could Eveline and came across Leonard. Eveline was my great granddad sister

Nicki

Siblings of Eveline - though I know it's no help, and I expect you already know about them:

Patrick Daniel O'Gorman
in the India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Patrick Daniel O'Gorman
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1882
Baptism Date: 8 Oct 1882
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Place: Poona, Bombay, India
Father: Andrew O'Gorman
Mother: Catherine
Reference ID: v 56 p 333
FHL Film Number: 462967



Also others (all born in Poona) which I won't bother posting, as not relevant to the search for Leonard:

Michael Thomas, 15/01/1881
Morice Kevin, 15/10/1893
Kathleen, 8/08/1879
Cahrles James, 8/11/1877
Frederick William, 8/07/1891
Mary Louisa, 2/01/1874
Joseph, 10/08/1875
Andrew, 7/11/1872

Mary/Marie Louisa died 16/12/1921, buried Poona.

Andrew, the father, died 23/06/1929, aged 83, buried Poona. Widowed.

How did you work back to this man?

If the family continued to live in India, there may well be no records online for us to find.


Eocline Maud Gorman
in the India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Eocline Maud Gorman
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1889
Baptism Date: 6 Oct 1889
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Place: Poona, Bombay, India
Father: Andrew Gorman
Mother: Catherine
FHL Film Number: 523863

No reason to think he wasn't baptised on his parents' wedding day

FMP shows the following - limited- info, confirming his birth as 1920

First name(s) Leonard Maurice
Last name Williams
Birth year 1920
Birth date 1920
Baptism year 1920
Baptism date 1920
Place Calcutta,St Thomas
Presidency Bengal
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name Williams

And the baptism, from FS - not on Ancestry:

Leonard Maurice Williams
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Leonard Maurice Williams
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 28 Feb 1920
Event Place: Bengal, India
Event Place (Original): Calcutta, Bengal, India
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1920 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Name: Abdul Williams
Mother's Name: Eveline

GS Film Number: 463386
Digital Folder Number: 005136854
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75049-8
System Origin: EASY
Record Number: 502
Citing this Record
"India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HGNL-9MN2 : 5 February 2020), Leonard Maurice Williams, 1920.


His DOB given there as 3 Feb 1920 - so his baptism could well have been the same day as the marriage.

For our reference - the marriage you mention:

Eveline O'Gorman
in the India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948
Name: Eveline O'Gorman
Gender: Female
Age: 31
Birth Date: 1889
Marriage Date: 28 Feb 1920
Marriage Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
Father: Andrew O'Gorman
Spouse: Abdul W. Williams [ Father: Essa Williams ]
FHL Film Number: 463386

I am trying to locate records for Leonard. I only found a birth for him yesterday on Familysearch.org

I know the following:

He was born in India. His father was Abdul Williams and his mother was Eveline Maud O'Gorman.

I have found a record for his parents marriage in India Feb 28 1920 however if this is right I have also found a record showing Leonard was also christened on that day - so i guess a transcription error - so perhaps he wasn't born in 1920..

I can't find Abdul or Eveline Williams after that and can find nothing for Leonard.

Grateful for any help.

Thanks

Nicki