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Rooden Lane, Oldham cum Prestwich, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Robert Hilton Male 35 1806 Lancashire, England......Cotton Weaver
Alice Hilton Female 35 1806 Lancashire, England
James Hilton Male 14 1827 Lancashire, England
Mary Hilton Female 12 1829 Lancashire, England
Samuel Hilton Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England
John Hilton Male 8 1833 Lancashire, England
William Hilton Male 1 1840 Lancashire, England


GRO
HILTON, WILLIAM DAVENPORT
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 685

LancsBMD
HILTON William DAVENPORT 1840 Prestwich Bury PREST/1/79

Baptism: 22 Jul 1826 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
James Hilton - [Child] of Robert Hilton & Alice
Born: 22 Jul 1826
Abode: Whitefield
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Thos. R. Ashworth
Register: Baptisms 1821 - 1828, Page 212, Entry 1689
Source: LDS Film 2113204

I also saw this one in the 1891 but as the occupation was so totally different, I dismissed it.

The birth and baptism for Mary is great though as I hadn't found that. There is a slight variation on ages though.

Baptised 14 Sep 1828
Married on 5 Oct 1885 aged 56
She would have been 57.
Robert's occupation is the same and the mother's name is the same. I think it must be her.

???

Mary Hilton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Hilton
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 14 Sep 1828
Event Place: Cheetham Hill, Manchester, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Saint Marks Cheetham Hill, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sex: Female
Father's Name: Robt Hilton
Mother's Name: Alice

Book Number: 942.72/C5 V26ch
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03326-1
System Origin: ODM


Father's occupation: weaver.
Abode: Crumpsall.

Habergham Eaves is in/near Burnley.

This is the only possible couple I can find in 1891, but the husband is a fishmonger. Drastic change of occupation??

Mary Baldwin
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Mary Baldwin
Gender: Female
Age: 61
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1830
Spouse: John Baldwin
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St John Gannow
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Residence Place: Burnley, St John Gannow, Lancashire, England
Registration District: Burnley
Sub registration district: Burnley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 50
Neighbors:
Piece: 3370
Folio: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
John Baldwin 65 - Colne, fishmonger
Mary Baldwin 61
Martha A King 48 - boarder

The third marriage, which I think you have, proving father's name:


Mary Vickers
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Mary Vickers [Mary Helton]
Gender: Female
Age: 56
Birth Date: 1829
Marriage Date: 1885
Marriage Place: Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
Father: Robert Helton
Spouse: John Baldwin
FHL Film Number: 1526143
Reference ID: 2:1QNP9XT




John Baldwin
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: John Baldwin
Gender: Male
Age: 60
Birth Year: abt 1825
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Oct 1885
Parish: Habergham Eaves, Holy Trinity, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Mary Vicker
Spouse Age: 56
Father: Abraham Baldwin
Spouse Father: Robert Vicker [ Hilton on image ]
Register Type: Parish Register

Thanks once again ArgllGran. That link is really interesting and might explain why there was a petition to remove her to Shropshire.

If Henry Wynne 'settlement' parish was in Shropshire then although they married in Salford and he seems to have died there, the parish wanted to remove her elsewhere, lest she become a burden. Her own settlement parish would have been Manchester from her father's birth presumably.

it all seems a bit tragic. Your husband dies and on top of that the parish want to move you elsewhere!

Death of the daughter Mary:

Mary Alice Wynne
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary Alice Wynne
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 10
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 120

Re removal from one place to another:

this thread explains:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=438373.0

If what I have found is correct, Robert Hilton married Alice Davenport in Manchester Cathedral on 5 Nov 1821.

This look up was based on the later siblings being in GRO with the mother's maiden name. Both William and Sarah Hilton had a mother with a maiden name of Davenport. I then searched for a marriage between Robert Hilton and Alice Davenport in the Manchester / Prestwich area.

It would have made them both only 18 years old, but that is possible.

When did Mary’s parents marry?

Mary Hilton was the sister of my Great-great-grandfather John Hilton. Their father was Robert Hilton.

Mary was born in Lancashire in 1830 – source 1851 census in Green Bank Square, Salford. All her siblings were born in Prestwich and I have found their baptisms on lan-opc.org.uk but I cannot find Mary’s baptism.

In the first two census, Mary was single and living with her parents Robert and Alice (nee Davenport).

In the 4th Quarter of 1851 Mary Hilton married Henry Wynne

By the 1861 census, she was a widow, with a son and daughter (Walter and Mary Alice) and living, with her mother and other siblings in Green bank Square, Salford.

There was an order to forcibly remove her from Salford back to Manchester in November 1861. (Lancashire, England, Quarter Session Records and Petitions, 1648-1908). There had been a previous one in 1860 to remove her to Shropshire, but the appeal had been upheld. The reason for the removal seems to be that she was poor and had not lived in Salford for the previous five years. Why should this be if she was living with her mother and had an occupation?

In April 1866 she married John Vickers and is with him and her son Walter Wynne in the 1871 census in Devine Street, Salford. Her daughter Mary Alice, who would have been about 14 year old is not present. Unfortunately, John Vickers also died and in the 1881 census, she in Duckett Street, Burnley with her sister Sarah Lord and brother John Hilton.

On 5 Oct 1885 Mary married John Baldwin in Habersham Eves.

Mary seems far more interesting than any other member of the family, and I was wondering if the good people here think I have correctly followed the clues. I can only find a civil registration of her first two marriages so don’t have the confirmation from seeing her father’s name or any witnesses. I don’t know if anyone has access to records that are not on ancestry or parish clerks online where these might be available.

I’d also be grateful if you were able to find Mary’s baptism c1830.

What happened to Mary’s daughter Mary Alice b1856?

Where were Mary and John Baldwin in the 1891 census? John was a jeweller when he married in 1885 so it is likely that that would still be his occupation in 1891 but I cannot find him or Mary.

I hope I have provided enough details.
Thank you in anticipation.