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Winson
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28 Jan 2021 03:49 |
Yes,I did.All his children were born in Singapore or Penang.
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ErikaH
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27 Jan 2021 12:16 |
Have you given us every scrap of info that you have about this family?
Birth location is especially important.
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Winson
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27 Jan 2021 11:37 |
Hello Everyone,
Thanks again.But I don't know any information about Ronald Gerard-Smith's marriages or any name of his wife.All I know is Elizabeth.I don't know her surname too.I don't know whether he is remarried or not.
Best wishes, Winson Saw
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2021 16:47 |
So did I - sorry, Shirley.
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2021 13:31 |
Oops.......missed that in among all the other info
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2021 13:09 |
The record of Ronald died 1992 with wife Elizabeth is on the memorial stone that includes the ref to Helen died1950
I posted this at the beginning of the thread
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2021 12:09 |
Having said that, here's another bit of pure speculation, based entirely on the place (Kensington, where his sister Dorothy lived) and the bride's first name:
Ronald J Smith in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Ronald J Smith Registration Date: Jul 1959 [Aug 1959] [Sep 1959] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Kensington Inferred County: London Spouse: Elisabeth C Tannhausen Volume Number: 5c Page Number: 2829
You mention Ronald's "marriages". How many times was he married? Do you know any names other than the possible Elizabeth?
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2021 11:51 |
This man died in 1992 - but without knowing if Winson's Ronald died in the UK or not, there's no way to know if this is the right death:
Ronald James Smith in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Ronald James Smith Death Age: 71 Birth Date: 30 Aug 1921 Registration Date: Nov 1992 Registration District: Wandsworth Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 15 Page: 1143
In fact, it's all pointless speculation without further info.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2021 11:41 |
In the 1925 travel record posted earlier, he was aged 4.
Ancestry suggests (and note, it's only a suggestion), that this is him:
Ronald J Smith in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Ronald J Smith Registration Date: Jan 1952 [Feb 1952] [Mar 1952] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Battle Inferred County: Sussex Spouse: Johanna Moriarty Volume Number: 5h Page Number: 52
Mr Ronald James Smith in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2019 Name: Mr Ronald James Smith Gender: Male Age: 88 Birth Date: 14 Feb 1921 Last Residence: Rye, East Sussex, England Postal Code District: TN31 Death Date: 13 Feb 2009
But again, you would need to see the certs to be sure one way or the other. He certainly wasn't the only Ronald James Smith.
And of course that death doesn't match your info of death in 1992.
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2021 10:25 |
You say that Ronald died in 1992 - where?
You refer to a wife named Elizabeth- what is your source?
Where in the world do you think he married?
Please give location info when asking for assistance from members
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2021 10:08 |
You would have to buy the Gerard-Smith/Paul marriage cert to be 100% sure if it's the correct one or not - but given the unusual name, yes, it seems almost certain that's her. The woman who married Anthony Paul was born 1919 - per the 1957 travel record posted earlier. It does appear, however, that the marriage didn't last, as she was using her maiden name in the 1960s ERs, and Anthony isn't listed with her.
(The marriage cert would give the bride's father's name.).
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Winson
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26 Jan 2021 05:11 |
Hello Everyone,
Thanks so much for your information.
May I know is Dorothy Gerard-Smith (1919-?) is married to Anthony Paul?.Is that her?.She was born in 1919 Penang.
Do you have any information about her brother Ronald James Gerard-Smith's marriages?.
Best wishes, Winson Saw
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Maddie
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25 Jan 2021 15:40 |
England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
Name Helen Gerard-smith Father's Name Gerard A J Smith Mother's Name Dorothy Death Date 29 Aug 1950 Death Place Rome, Italy Household Members
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jan 2021 14:18 |
Long biography of John Ryan, Philomena's son:
https://tinyurl.com/y55oxwyy
"Ryan, John Archibald (1915–89), joint managing director of John Power & Son, and governor of the Bank of Ireland, was born 27 August 1915 in Tipperary, second son among three sons and two daughters of William Ryan (1875–1957), distiller, of Dublin, and his wife Philomena (d.1959), daughter of Paul Smith-Steinmetz of Dublin - - - - - -"
" _ _ _ _ He married (10 April 1940) Sybil Margaret, daughter of Dr Maurice Drummond of 22 Upper Fitzwilliam St., Dublin. They had four sons and one daughter and lived at Shrewsbury Rd., Dublin, and from 1966 at Homefield, Kilmacud, Stillorgan, Co. Dublin. _ _ _ _ _"
It also mentions a sister Veronica 1921-66, who never married.
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ErikaH
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25 Jan 2021 14:06 |
SMITH JAMES PAUL 76 1898 685/2 259 St Andrew (Edinburgh)
First name(s) Alister F A Last name Smith Gender Male Birth year 1878 Age 75 Death quarter 2 Death year 1953 District Harrow County Middlesex Volume 5F Page 343A
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jan 2021 14:02 |
Philomena's marriage - :
Philomena M Smith-Steinmetz in the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 Name: Philomena M Smith-Steinmetz Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun, 1913 Registration District: Tipperary, Ireland Volume: 3 Page Number: 423 FHL Film Number: 101262 Records on Page: Name Philomena M S Steinmetz William Ryan Philomena M Smith-Steinmetz
Philomena Mary Ryan in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Philomena Mary Ryan Death Date: 24 Dec 1959 Death Place: County Dublin, Ireland Probate Date: 11 Apr 1960 Probate Registry: London, England
RYAN, Philomena Mary, of Thornhill, Stillorgan, County Dublin, widow, died 24 December 1959. Probate London 11 April to John Ryan, governor of the Bank of Ireland, and Clement Ryan, company director. Effects £1246 18s 3d in England.
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Maddie
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25 Jan 2021 14:01 |
Margaret Mary Last name Steinmetz Sex Female Marriage year 1876-8
James Paul Smith Marriage place Ostend Place type Place Country Belgium Type Consular/Overseas Source Gro Consular Marriages (1849-1965) Records year range 1876-1880 Archive reference MCON Volume 6 Page 51 Line number 4
Margaret Mary Steinmetz Sex: Female Father: Steinmetz, Chevalier Husband: James Paul Smith, Esq Other information in the record of James Paul Smith, Esq from British Newspaper Archive, Family Notices
Name: James Paul Smith, Esq Event Type: Marriage Notice Event Date: 5 Feb 1876 Event Place: Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Dundee, Angus, Scotland Event Place Note: 142-9145 Gender: Male Spouse's Name: Margaret Mary Steinmetz Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Father's Name: Steinmetz, Chevalier --------------- Newspaper: Dundee Courier and Daily Argus Page Number: 4 Publication Date: 5 Feb 1876 Affiliate Record Type: Marriage
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jan 2021 13:58 |
Margaret Smith Steinmetz in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911 Name: Margaret Smith Steinmetz Gender: Female Marital Status: Widow Age: 66 Birth Year: abt 1845 Birth Place: Belgium Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911 House Number: 1 Townland/Street: Carrownreddy (Pt. of) District: Tipperary E. Urban County: Tipperary Country: Ireland Electoral District: Tipperary E. Urban Literacy: Read and write Religion: Catholic Relationship: Head URL: Household Members Age Relationship Margaret Smith Steinmetz 66 Head Philomena Smith Steinmetz 27 Daughter Margaret Walkins 26 Servant Ellen O'Connor 23 Servant
Margaret Smith Stinmetz in the Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958 Name: Margaret Smith Stinmetz Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1924 Death Age: 80 Registration District: Dublin South Volume: 2 Page: 413 FHL Film Number: 101736
Not that it helps at all with descendants!
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jan 2021 13:56 |
The parents married in Bruges, as per Gerards' birth cert above.
Presumably Margaret came to Scotland after marriage, or just before.
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ErikaH
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25 Jan 2021 13:54 |
No record of the name Steinmetz - unless the MMN is a corrupted version of it on the baptism above
RC baptism, which fits with the brother having attended Stonyhurst, which is an RC establishment
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