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Yes and as his mother married in Cambridge and he lived there in 1841 and 1851 and the fact that his stepfather and sister moved to Lambeth Surrey (they actually married each other after his wife died in 1850) makes me think that he is John Osborne Pilbrow

The man on 1861 was a Bootmaker, which is the correct occupation.

No record anywhere of the daughter other than her birth

An after thought! IF the 1861 census for John is correct then they must have parted company before his crime in 1865

Any time.....................

Thanks again you two.

Yes Erika I think you might well be right about Elizabeth either dying or disowning John. Thanks to your post about his criminal record I've been able to locate a newspaper article covering the crime, so a BIG THANKS for that also.

PILBROW, ANN MARIA GIBBS
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in CAMBRIDGE Volume 03B Page 447

PILBROW, JOHN GIBBS
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in CAXTON Volume 14 Page 30
PILBROW, JOHN 0
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in CAXTON Volume 14 Page 21

First name(s) John Osborne
Last name Pilbrow
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1830
Age 76
Death quarter 1
Death year 1906
District Newbury
County Berkshire
Volume 2C
Page 162


Name: John Osborne Pilbrow
Residence Date: 1895
Street Address: Pembroke Road
Residence Place: Berkshire, England
Parliamentary Division: Newbury

1881
Name: John O. Pilbrow
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elenora Pilbrow
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolpit, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Newbury
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Pembroke Road Rose and Thistle Yard
Occupation: Shoe Maker
Registration District: Newbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
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Piece: 1269
Folio: 53
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John O. Pilbrow 51
Elenora Pilbrow 45
Ernest J. Brown 16
Frederick Brown 14
John Brown 13

1891
Name: John O Pilbrow
Gender: Male
Age: 62
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1829
Spouse: Eleanor Pilbrow
Birth Place: Woolpit, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Newbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Residence Place: Newbury, Newbury, Berkshire, England
Registration District: Newbury
Sub registration district: Newbury
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 969
Folio: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
John O Pilbrow 62
Eleanor Pilbrow 54
Ernest J Brown 26
Frederick C Brown 24
John Brown 23
Henry G Brown 11

1871..no indication of marital status

Name: John H Pelbrow
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: 1830
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Nk Suffolk England
Civil parish: Newbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Newbury St Nicholas
Town: Newbury
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newbury
Sub-registration district: Newbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 1249
Folio: 58
Page number: 12
Household Members Age Relationship
John H Pelbrow 41 Lodger

1851 as per Ancestry

Name: John Pilbrone
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Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Pilbrone
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolpit, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Cambridge St Andrew the Great
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Town: Cambridge
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration District: Cambridge
Sub-registration District: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 290
Piece: 1760
Folio: 610
Page Number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pilbrone 23
Elizabeth Pilbrone 21
Charlotte Simpkins 20
Henry Simpkins 22


1901

Name: John C Pilbrow
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elover Pilbrow
Birth Place: Woolpit, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Newbury
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Newbury
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration District: Newbury
Sub-registration District: Newbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1120
Folio: 29
Page Number: 15
Household Schedule Number: 100
Household Members:
Name Age
John C Pilbrow 74
Elover Pilbrow 65
Henry G Brown 41************Stepson
Henry G Brown 14


Either Elizabeth died, or she disowned him when he went to prison

Info re Elizabeth, in case you don't have it

Name: Elizabeth Gibbs
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 13 Sep 1829
Baptism Place: , Little Eversden, Cambridge, England
Father: John Gibbs
Mother: Margaret

Name: John Gibbs
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Oct 1812
Marriage Place: Little Eversden,Cambridge,England
Spouse: Margaret Howard
FHL Film Number: 1040470

Sibling

Name: Margaret Gibbs
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 19 Sep 1823
Baptism Place: , Little Eversden, Cambridge, England
Father: John Gibbs
Mother: Margaret

1841

Name: John Gibbs
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Little Eversden
Hundred: Longstow
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration District: Caxton
Sub-registration District: Caxton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 68
Book: 9
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gibbs 54
Margaretta Gibbs 51
Ann Gibbs 14
Howard Gibbs 9

Record Transcription:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

St Andrews Hill, Saint Andrew the Great, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
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Cambridgeshire, England
Year of census: 1841
Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Pilbroud Head Married Male 23 1828 Shoe Maker Woolpit, Suffolk, England
Elizabeth Pilbroud Wife Married Female 21 1830 Shoe Makers Wife Cambridgeshire, England
Charlotte Simpkins Lodger Married Female 20 1831 Shoe Makers Wife Cambridgeshire, England
Henry Simpkins Lodger Married Male 22 1829 Shoe Maker Cambridgeshire, England

Many thanks much appreciated.

I have Elizabeth and John Pilbrow in the 1851 census living in Cambridgeshire. Elizabeth was born c1830 in Eversden Cambridgeshire according to this census. It looks like they had 2 children John born 1850 Caxton died 1850 Caxton
and Ann Maria born 1852 Cambridge.

There is an unmarried John Pilbrow born c1828 in Cambridgeshire,Bootmaker, living in Lambeth Surrey in 1861 which I think is the same John born c1828 in Woolpit Suffolk but I can't see any sign of Elizabeth or Ann Maria anywhere.
Please can anyone take a look and see if they can find these two anywhere?

First name(s) John Osborne
Last name Pilbrow
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1877
John Osborne Pilbrow married
Eleanor Brown
District Newbury
District number -
County Berkshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Volume as transcribed 2C
Page number 318

First name(s) John Osborne
Last name Pilbrow
Age 34
Birth year 1831
Occupation Shoemaker
Year 1865
Date 07 Dec 1865
Crime Arson
Sentence duration 5 years
Place Portland
Court Winchester
County -
Source Pentonville Prison Registers. Volume 3
Series HO24

First name(s) John Osborne
Last name Pilbrow
Birth year -
Marriage year 1850
Marriage day 22
Marriage month Jul
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Gibbs
Place Cambridge, St Andrew the Less
Groom's first name(s) John Osborne
Groom's last name PILBROW
Groom's marital status bac
Groom's age full
Groom's occupation turner
Groom's residence of East Rd
Groom's father's first name(s) [blank]
Groom's father's occupation [blank]
Bride's first name(s) Elizabeth
Bride's last name GIBBS
Bride's marital status sp
Bride's occupation [blank]
Bride's residence of East Rd
Bride's father's first name(s) John
Bride's father's occupation shoemaker
By licence or banns by banns

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
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County Cambridgeshire
Place (Links to more information) Cambridge
Church name (Links to more information) St Mary the Less
Register type (Links to more information) Phillimore's Transcripts
Marriage date 13 Oct 1833
Groom forename William
Groom surname BURKER
Groom parish Otp
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname PILBROW
Bride parish Otp
Transcribed by William Hall
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Record Transcription:
Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
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First name(s) John Osborne
Last name Pilbrow
Birth year 1828
Baptism year 1828
Baptism date 15 Apr 1828
Parish Woolpit, St Mary
Place Woolpit
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) -
Mothers first name(s) Ann
Residence Woolpit
Notes
bb / father John Osborne SAMER, Shopman of Woolpit / sp
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
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Record Transcription:
Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911

First name(s) Anna Maria
Last name Pilbrow
Birth year 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 16 May 1826
Parish Woolpit, St Mary
Place Woolpit
Relationship Daughter
Father's first name(s) -
Mothers first name(s) Anne
Residence Woolpit
Notes
father KING
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
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Hi,

Please could someone post the following full details for these records:

Baptism: Anna Maria Pilbrow 1826 Woolpit Suffolk, mother Anne
Baptism: John Osborne Pilbrow 1828 Woolpit Suffolk, mother Ann

Marriage: Ann Pilbrow + William Bunker 1833 St Mary the Less Cambridgeshire
Marriage: John Pilbrow + Elizabeth Gibbs 1850 in Cambridgeshire

TIA
Tiggit