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Hi, Thank you all for you answers. I had the 1939 register info. The other info. is most helpful and interesting .

Thanks

David

Fred
Last name Bird
Gender Male
Birth day 30
Birth month 9
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1969
District Barnsley

Fred
Last name Bird
Birth quarter 4
Birth year 1913
Mother's maiden name Hill
District Barnsley
County Yorkshire

Fred Bird died 1969

Deaths Dec 1969 (>99%)
BIRD Fred 30Se1913 Barnsley 2b 55

and this might be Hilda - no DOB to confirm

England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019

Year of marriage: 1944
First name(s) Hilda
Last name Bird
Death year 1994
Death date 31 Jan 1994
Probate year 1994
Probate date 12 Apr 1994
Residence town Barnsley
Registry Leeds
County -

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk - free to use.

Probate records for John and Lila can be found on the above site

John died 26.4.2000 (Grant only)
Lila died 6.8.2006 (Grant and will)

Lila's death

Name: Year of Birth:
BETCHETTI, LILA KATHLEEN QUAYLE 1915
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2006 in BARNSLEY (0411A) Reg A49B Entry Number 161

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Betchetti John Wade Barnsley 9c 503


The only person of that name born 1921 +/- 2 years so likely to be his death (below)

(There was another John Betchetti in 1915)
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results

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Name: Year of Birth:
BETCHETTI, JOHN 1921
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2000 in BARNSLEY (0411C) Reg C33B Entry Number 8

could this be hilda
Name: Hilda Betcheth
Registration Date: Jul 1939
[Aug 1939]
[Sep 1939]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Barnsley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse: Fred Bird
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 732

two boys and a girl
born 1940 - 1948 barnsley mmn betchetti

daughter married 1969 in barnsley

Births to both couples can be found on freebmd

Hilda also married prior to the Register being made up

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Betcheth Hilda Bird Barnsley 9c 732 <<<<<<<<
Bird Fred Betcheth Barnsley 9c 732 <<<<<<<<
Hawcroft Harold Key Barnsley 9c 732
Key Alice F Hawcroft Barnsley 9c 732

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Hilda and Fred in 1939 -

Paddock Road, Staincross, Darton U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
(3 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Sarah E Bird 29 Jul 1875 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 303 1
Fred Bird 30 Sep 1913 Male Glass Cable Sorter Warehouseman Married 303 2
Hilda Bird 01 Mar 1917 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 303 3
Ref: RG101/3629B/002/33 Letter Code: KMPA
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Albert had recently married to Lila KQ Bate -

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Bate Lila K Q Betcheth Barnsley 9c 715 <<<<<<<<<<
Betcheth Albert Bate Barnsley 9c 715 <<<<<<<<<<
Husband Matthew B Tubbs Barnsley 9c 715
Tubbs Edith Husband Barnsley 9c 715

Parents and Albert in 1939.

John not there - could be in the Forces already.

The original does NOT say Hilda GE - looks more like Lila C ?last initial

Hilda's birth was registered as Hilda Q2 1917 with no initials.. It does say married on the original for both Albert and Hilda (Lila)

Albert Betchetti's life in 1939

4 Belgrave Road, Barnsley, Barnsley C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
(4 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Tom Betchetti 28 Sep 1886 Male Mould Fittter & Engraver Glass Wks Married 244 1
Frances Betchetti 17 Jun 1889 Female Unpadi D Duties Married 244 2
Albert Betchetti 28 Aug 1915 Male Ledger Clerk Glass Wks Married 244 3
Hilda G E Betchetti 14 Nov 1917 Female Marble Grinder Glass Wks Married 244 4
Ref: RG101/3319C/020/31 Letter Code: KAAI

I have John Betchetti born Barnsley Yorkshire in 1921 and possibly died there in 2000.
His parents were Tom & Frances ( nee Wade) and he had a brother Albert 1915 to 1972
also a sister Hilda born 1917, any information regarding them all would be helpful

David