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I'm wondering if someone can have a look for someone returning to this country. I've tried Ancestry and FMP and can't find it.

Arthur Witts went to Australia on 21 April 1890. I have found this record but I can't find a record of his return journey. I know he was back here by 1892 because he married here then. He was born in 1866 in Monmouthshire and died in 1945. His wife was Margaret Edwards and they married in Neath. Arthur travelled to Australia with a friend, Francis Roberts, aged nineteen, a painter by trade. We don't know if they returned together. There may not be a record there but I'm wondering if I'm missing something obvious.

Annie

Posting for our reference:


Arthur Witts
in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Arthur Witts
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1866
Departure Date: 21 Apr 1890
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Port Caroline
Master: J Sturrock


Arthur Witts
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Arthur Witts
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Neath
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 1085
Records on Page:
Name
Margaret Edwards
Arthur Witts


Arthur Witts
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: Arthur Witts
Age in 1901: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse: Margaret Witts
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Blaenhonddan
Town: Bryncoch
Ecclesiastical parish: Dyffryn St Matthew
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration District: Neath
Sub-registration District: Cadoxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 109
Piece: 5062
Folio: 17
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Witts 33
Margaret Witts 34
Ivor Witts 10
Arthur Witts 7
May Witts 5
Florence Witts 3
Lena Witts 1
Mary Edward 68

No, I'm not seeing a return journey, either.

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ame: Ash Witts
Arrival Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1866
Port of Departure: Australia
Arrival Date: 2 Jun 1892
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Kaiser Wilhelm II
Shipping Line: Norddeutscher Lloyd Bremen
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the image looks to be Arth,,,,not Ash,,,,,

EDWARDS, IVOR DAVID -
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 778


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Pontardawe Road, Blaenhonddan, Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Edwards Head Married Male 51 1840 Labourer Trecastle, Breconshire, Wales
Mary Edwards Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Llandilo, Breconshire, Wales
>>Margaret Edwards Daughter Single Female 26 1865 - Breconshire, Wales
>>Ivor D Edwards Grandson - Male 0 1891 - Cadoxton, Glamorganshire, Wales


Margaret and Ivor before her marriage. And after....


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Brynglas Cottages (Melrose), 4, Bryncoch, Blaenhonddan, Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Witts Head Married Male 33 1868 Coal Hewer Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
>>Margaret Witts Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Llywel, Brecknockshire, Wales
>>Ivor Witts Son - Male 10 1891 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Arthur Witts Son - Male 7 1894 - Glamorganshire, Wales
May Witts Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Florence Witts Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Lena Witts Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Mary Edwards Mother-In-Law Widow Female 68 1833 Worker On Farm Llywel, Brecknockshire, Wales



I'm also not seeing a return journey.

EDIT Just seen above post by Kay, that certainly could be him. He was a laborer.

I'm sorry not to have returned to this sooner. I spent all evening trying to get through to a hospital ward. That certainly does look as though it's him. It's a tree I'm doing for a friend who is Arthur's grandson and it's nice to have all the details. I now need to get Ivor's birth cert to see if Arthur was his father or someone else or someone unknown. Thank you so much for your help. I wish I'd asked sooner now.

Annie

if this is ivor in 1939

Name: Ivor David Witts
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1889
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 7 Woodview Tee Bryncoch Neath
Residence Place: Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
Occupation: Lorry Driver (Heavy Work)
Line Number: 28
Schedule Number: 236
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: XLKQ
Borough: Neath
Registration district: 592.1
Inferred Spouse:
Olwen Witts
Household Members Age
Ivor David Witts 50
Olwen Witts
39

his mother is probably margaret edwards and ivor had changed his name to witts by 1911

Ivor was illegitimate - unlikely to have any info about the father on his birth cert

Ivor's YoB is incorrectly stated in 1939


First name(s) Ivor David
Last name Witts
Service number K51593
Birth year 1890
Birth date 25 Jun 1890
Birth place Neath
Birth county Glamorganshire
Birth country Wales
Archive
The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 188/967/51593
Record set British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924

Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
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County Glamorgan
Place (Links to more information) Dyffryn
Church name (Links to more information) St Matthe
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 343
Baptism date 31 Oct 1893
Person forename Ivor David
Person sex M
Father forename Arthur
Mother forename Margaret
Father surname WITTS
Person abode Bryncoch
Father occupation Collier
Transcribed by Leonard Macdonald
File line number 343

The baptism took place after Margaret's marriage to Witts

Thank you for those. Most of the family are buried in St. Matthew's Churchyard so that ties in nicely with the baptism. Ivor was a stoker in the navy for a few years.

Annie