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further info to the fold 3 army record
married to susanah howard spinster at christchurch norwich on 3rd dec1880
children agnes 14/02/1880 --------- illegitimate ?
james 1887

First name(s) James
Last name Dear
Birth year 1848
Birth parish Bermondsey
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 1228
Regiment 5th Lancers
Year 1869
Attestation date 30 Aug 1869
Attestation age years 21
Attestation age months 6
Attestation service number 1228
Attestation corps 5th (Royal Irish) Lancers
Discharge corps 5th (Royal Irish) Lancers
Document type Attestation
Archive reference WO 97
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Box 2650
Box record number 78

I wonder if Agnes was'nt their child but on the censuses his age (James Lionel) is born in Sussex not Norfolk as said on the 1891 census.

in the 1901 England Census
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Name: James L Dear
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: James Dear
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Sheringham
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Ecclesiastical parish: Sheringham All Saints
Town: Sheringham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:
Registration District: Erpingham
Sub-registration District: Cromer
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors:
Piece: 1825
Folio: 190
Page Number: 48
Household Schedule Number: 292
Household Members:
Name Age
James Dear 52
Susan Dear 46
James L Dear 14<<<<<<<<<

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Name: Susannah Dear
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Barry
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County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 38 Vale St Barry Glam
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 30
Estimated Marriage Year: 1881
Registration District: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household Schedule Number: 251
Piece: 32195
Household Members:
Name Age
James Dear 62
Susannah Dear 59
James Lionel Dear 24<<<<<<<<<

Susanna Amoss married William Howard a Butcher on 11th January 1846.
His father Daniel Howard Coal Merchant

Her father William Amoss Shopkeeper he signed

Witnesses James Parfitt and Rhoda Howard her mark X

Sussannah signed but William put his mark X

James Dear
in the UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925
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Name: James Dear
Pension Admission or Examination Age: 46
Discharge Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1848
Birth Place: Bermondsey London
Pension Admission or Examination Date: 28 Aug 1894
Discharge Date: 5 Jul 1894
Regiment: 5th Lancers
Rank: Bandman
Regimental Number: 1228

1939

57 Pontypridd Road, Barry, Barry M.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
James L Dear 26 Mar 1887 Male Rope Maker Docks & Splicer Heavy Worker Married 365 1
Gladys E Dear 30 May 1890 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 365 2
The record for this person is officially closed.

Marriages Mar 1936 (>99%)
Dear James L Jones E. Glamorgan 11a 1164
Jones Gladys E Dear E.Glamorgan 11a 1164


Name: James L Dear
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: abt 1887
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1968
Registration District: East Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire

First name(s) Gladys Eleanor
Last name Dear
Gender Female
Birth day 30
Birth month 5
Birth year 1890
Death quarter 4
Death year 1975
District Ogwr
County Glamorganshire

Name: Susannah R Dear
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1854
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1924
Registration District: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 408

1911

Name: Susannah Dear
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Barry
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 38 Vale St Barry Glam
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 30
Estimated Marriage Year: 1881
Registration District: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household Schedule Number: 251
Piece: 32195
Household Members:
Name Age
James Dear 62.....b. Bermondsey
Susannah Dear 59
James Lionel Dear 24......b Brighton.

Susannah says she has borne ONE child in the marriage

DEAR, JAMES LIONEL (MMN) HOWARD
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in STEYNING Volume 02B Page 291

1891 is puzzling

Name: James Dear, Private, 5th Lancers
Gender: Male
Age: 39
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1852
Spouse: Susana Dear
Child: Agnes Dear
James Dear
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: Northgate
Ecclesiastical parish: South Gregory the Great
Residence Place: Northgate, Kent, England
Registration District: Canterbury
Sub registration district: Canterbury
ED, Institution or Vessel: Cavalry Depot
Piece: 708
Folio: 129
Household Members:
Name Age
James Dear 39
Susana Dear 38
Agnes Dear 10........b Norwich
James Dear 10........b Norwich

No obvious birth records for these children.............and see my comment re 1911

Jane hasn’t yet returned to her DEAR thread..........obviously connected

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1389544

Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Event Place: Norfolk, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): St Clement, Norwich, Norfolk, England
Name: Susanna Howard
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Birth Year (Estimated): 1853
Birthplace: Norwich, Norfolk
Occupation: Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Page Number: 5
Piece/Folio: 1211 / 153
Registration Number: RG09

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Howard Head M 36 Norwich, Norfolk
Susanna Howard Wife F 39 Northrepps, Norfolk
William A Howard Son M 14 Norwich, Norfolk
Charles Howard Son M 12 Norwich, Norfolk
Hezekiah Howard Son M 10 Norwich, Norfolk
Susanna Howard Daughter F 8 Norwich, Norfolk
Joseph P Howard Son M 6 Norwich, Norfolk
George A Howard Son M 4 Norwich, Norfolk
Frances A Howard Daughter F 1 Norwich, Norfolk
William Ames Boarder M 78 Northrepps, Norfolk

Seems possible William Ames is Susannah's father.

Rose

Parents?

Marriages Mar 1846
AMOSS Susannah Blofield 13 53
HOWARD William Blofield 13 53

Rose

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HOWARD, SUSANNAH RHODA AMOSS
GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 96

Rose

I AM LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION ON A SUSANNAH RHODA HOWARD B. 1853 IN NORWICH. SHE MARRIED A JAMES DEAR IN 1880 IN NORWICH.
MANY THANKS.
JANE :-)