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Ihave Agnus Margaret Hope 1891 Lambeth who married LIONEL FLEMING
On the marriage cert it names her dad has GEORGE RICHARD HOPE a Painter
Her address was 175 Norwood Road
Could anyone help with finding George please

For our reference, and the date:

Agnes Margaret Hope
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Agnes Margaret Hope
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1891
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1914
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Tulse Hill, Lambeth, England
Father: George Richard Hope
Spouse: Leonel Linnel Fleming
Register Type: Parish Register


\kionel's father is listed as deceased, but Agnes's isn't - so was presuably still living at that time.

[ In case anyone missed it and is tempted to stray from the topic of Agnes Margaret, - we've already investigated Lionel Fleming's family in another thread. ]

George R Hope
England and Wales Census, 1901

Name:
George R Hope
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
31 Mar 1901
Event Place:
Lambeth, London, England, United Kingdom
County:
London, Middlesex
Civil Parish:
Lambeth
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary The Less
Sub-District:
Lambeth Church Second
Registration District:
Lambeth
Gender:
Male
Age:
30
Occupation:
WOOD WORKING MACHINIST
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Birth Year (Estimated):
1871
Birthplace:
Lambeth, London
Schedule Type:
138
Page Number:
18
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George R Hope Head Male 30 Lambeth, London
Annie L Wiffen Boarder Female 26 Haverhill, Suffolk
Annie Wiffen Boarder Female 1 Lambeth, London

Name:
George R Hope
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1881
Event Place:
St George Hanover Square, London,Middlesex, England
Registration District:
St George Hanover Square
Residence Note:
Moreton Ter
Gender:
Male
Age:
10
Marital Status:
Single
Marital Status (Original):
Single
Occupation:
Scholar
Birth Year (Estimated):
1871
Birthplace:
Lambeth, Surrey, England
Relationship to Head of Household:
Son
Page Number:
40
Registration Number:
RG11
Piece/Folio:
104/29
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1881/4299924/00061&parentid=GBC/1881/0000532260
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George H Hope Head Male 30 Pimlico, Middlesex, England
Susan Hope Wife Female 34 Welford, Northamptonshire, England
George R Hope Son Male 10 Lambeth, Surrey, England
Catherine W F Pitt Daughter Female 42 Maidstone, Kent, England

Just posting to rule this one out -

Agnes Hope
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Agnes Hope
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Wallsend, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Cromwell Road, South Kensington S W
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Scullery Maid Domestic
Registration District: Kensington
Registration District Number: 2
Sub-registration District: Kensington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 113


Agnes Hope
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Agnes Hope
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: George Hope
Mother: Mary Hope
Birth Place: Wallsend, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Tynemouth
Sub-registration District: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Neighbors:
Piece: 4795
Folio: 127
Page Number: 32
Household Schedule Number: 193
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hope 56 - shipyard caulker
Mary Hope 55
James Hope 23
George Hope 12
Agnes Hope 8

George Hope
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name:
George Hope
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1891
Event Place:
Wandsworth, London, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Wandsworth, London, England
County:
London
Parish:
Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical Parish:
ST MARY MAGDALENE
Enumeration District:
34
Registration District:
Wandsworth
Gender:
Male
Age:
21
Marital Status:
Married
Occupation:
Butcher
Institution:
H M Prison Wandsworth
Birth Year (Estimated):
1870
Birthplace:
Peckham, Surrey, England
Relationship to Head of Household:
Prisoner
Page Number:
15
Registration Number:
RG12
Piece/Folio:
451/ 80
Affiliate Record Type:
Household

George R Hope in the 1881 census posted by Malyon is actually George Nathaniel Hope, per other censuses.

175 Norwood Road in 1914:


George Wallis Batchelor
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: George Wallis Batchelor
Electoral Date: 1914
Street Address: 175 Norwood road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Wandsworth
County or Borough: Wandsworth, England



George Wallis Batchelor
in the 1911 England Census
Name: George Wallis Batchelor
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Penge
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 285 Rosendale Road, Herne Hill
Occupation: BUILDER and DECORATOR <<<<<<<<<<<< interesting coincidence?
Registration District: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration District: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 2117
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wallis Batchelor 43
Emily Eliza Batchelor 45
Lilian Clara Batchelor 16


He's a cowman in 1891, and a gardener in 1901.

But doesn't have a daughter named Agnes!

You say Agnes was born in Lambeth 1891.......no birth registration on the GRO site

Perhaps you would post your record of her birth to help us

Neither of the witnesses to her marriage was named Hope

Lionel's Probate gives his widow's name as Agnes Emily

His death

Deaths Sep 1955 (>99%)
FLEMING Lionel L 69 Woolwich 5d 651

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
Fleming Lionel L Hope Lambeth 1d 763



Deaths Sep 1955 (>99%)
FLEMING Lionel L 69 Woolwich 5d 651

One daughter, b Woolwich, 1923.......died 2010, so not 'open' on 1939 register

When and where did Agnes die?

At time of death, Lionel's home address was 19 Plumstead Common Road, Plumstead, London.

With Agnes Fleming in 1952 (I'd hoped for a middle name for Agnes):

Lionel Fleming
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Lionel Fleming
Electoral Date: 1952
Street Address: 19 Plumstead Common Road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Woolwich
County or Borough: Newham, England

She's also just Agnes in 1937, 1938, 1939, 1945, 1949.

In 1949 there's also Robert Fleming with them .
In 1937 -1939, Robert Lionel Fleming

Their son ??

FLEMING, ROBERT LIONEL mmn HOPE
GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 395




(Sorry - drifting away from George Richard and Agnes Margaret/Emily.)

Two Fleming/Hope children born in Bristol, 1916 and 1918, aren't theirs.

Parents Henry and Mary.

Found using the address posted by AG

1939

19 Plumstead Common Road, Woolwich, Greenwich, Woolwich, London, England
Lionel Flemming 03 Apr 1886 Male House Painter Decorator Married 9 1
Agnes Elizabeth Flemming 12 Oct 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 9 2
Robert L Flemming 25 Sep 1915 Male Public Utily Clerk (Metro Gas) Single 9 3


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Name: Agnes Elizabeth Hope
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Worcester, Worcester, England
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Elmbourne Road, Upper Tooting, Common S W
Marital status: Single
Occupation: House Parlourmaid Domestic
Registration District: Wandsworth



1891

Name: George Hope
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1866
Spouse: Phoebe Hope
Child: Phoebe Hope
Agness Hope
Birth Place: Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Litchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Residence Place: Litchurch, Derbyshire, England
Registration District: Derby
Sub registration district: Derby
ED, Institution or Vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2734
Folio: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hope 25
Phoebe Hope 25
Phoebe Hope 5
Agness Hope 2
Susan Hall 20


Births Jun 1865 (>99%)
Hope George Richard Worcester 6c 323


Name: Richard George Hope
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1884
Marriage Place: Whittington,Worcester,England
Spouse: Phoebe Hill

George isn't a painter - he works in the China industry

Agnes E still in Plumstead in 1956:

Agnes E Fleming
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Agnes E Fleming
Electoral Date: 1956
Street Address: 19 Plumstead Common
Ward or Division/Constituency: Woolwich East
County or Borough: Newham, England


Although they're on the ER in 1939 at that address, I can't see them on the 1939 Register
It would have been good to verify Agnes's DOB (in so far as the Register is sometimes correct).

EDIT: But ErikaH has found them!

Deaths Dec 1973 (>99%)
FLEMING AGNES ELIZABETH 25JY1888 SURREY MID E 5G 333

Name: Agnes Elizabeth Emma Hope
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 12 Aug 1888
Baptism Place: St Peter-the-Great, Worcester, Worcester, England
Father: George Hope
Mother: Phoebe Hope


HOPE, AGNES ELIZABETH EMMA HILL
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in WORCESTER Volume 06C Page 263