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Thanks Erika. Not sure what to make of the John Roberts (mmn Blackburn) you posted. Betsey Horton did marry a John Roberts but that was in 1878 and their son, John, was born in 1859. I might just send for the certificate though just because of the coincidence of the name.
I think, though, that this might just be one of those things I have to let go!
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1841......
Name: Joseph Horton
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Runcorn
Hundred: Bucklow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration District: Runcorn
Sub-registration District: Runcorn
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 95
Book: 20
Folio: 13
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Horton 30
Jane Horton 12
Joseph Horton 10
Mary Horton 8
Betsy Horton 6
William Horton 4
Elizabeth Roberts was NOT born in Cheshire, and no way of knowing if she had a husband
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In view of the MMN, I though I'd post this................as you might have disregarded it
ROBERTS, JOHN BLACKBURN
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in OF THE RUNCORN UNION Volume 19 Page 203
May be totally unconnected, of course....................
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Simple way to check is to look at the GRO site for a birth for the boy. The MMN will be recorded
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
BUT, of course, there may not be a birth registration, as until 1875, as I'm sure you know, there were no penalties for not registering
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I've been going through all this information, and I'm not sure if my next question should be posted on this thread or a new thread. Anyway, here goes.
I took a look at the 1841 census posted above and notice that as well as the Hortons listed, there is also an Elizabeth Roberts age 20 and a John Roberts age 1, I'm guessing Elizabeth's son. Since Henry Horton & Mary Blackburn's daughter, Betsey, was married to a John Roberts I wonder if the Elizabeth and John might be related.
Thoughts??
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Good morning. Thank you for all this info. It does indeed look like Henry was a mariner. I’ll have to look at this info but thanks so much, it’s so helpful.
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One of the trees with the correct death has a photo of his gravestone which reads 'In Memory of Henry Horton of Runcorn who was unfortunately drowned July 29th 1836 aged 35 years.'
It is the Kay/Tupta tree.
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35 trees on Ancestry have Henry senior's death as 1838 in Warrington - which is clearly not correct.
As so often, they've all copied from each other without checking.
HORTON, HENRY 69
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 20 Page 653
Only two trees have the 1836 death, which does seem much more likely because of geography and occupation.
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Joseph's baptism - no image, unfortunately, to see Henry's occupation:
Joseph Horton
in the Cheshire, England, Parish Registers, 1538-1909
Name: Joseph Horton
Gender: Male
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1829
Baptism Place: Runcorn All Saints, Cheshire, England
Residence Place: All Saints, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Father: Henry Horton
Mother: Mary Ann Horton
Joseph in 1851 with his mother after her 1841 remarriage:
Joseph Hooton
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Joseph Hooton
[Joseph Horton]
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Foster
Gender: Male
Where born: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Runcorn
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Runcorn
Sub-registration District: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7f
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 217
Piece: 2164
Folio: 517
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Foster 42
Mary Ann Foster 24
Elizabeth Foster 19
Joseph Hooton 27 - mariner
Mary Ann Hooton 19
Thomas Hooton 8
Richard Hooton 6
Emma Hooton 5
Joshua Hooton 3
Eleanor Hooton 1
Possible marriage:
Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Bowden Mary Runcorn 8a 308
Bowers William Runcorn 8a 308
Horton Joseph Runcorn 8a 308
Nield Mary Runcorn 8a 308
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Daughter Betsey's father is stated to be a mariner on her marriage cert.
Betsey Horton
in the Cheshire, England, Parish Registers, 1538-1909
Name: Betsey Horton
Gender: Female
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1834
Baptism Place: Runcorn All Saints, Cheshire, England
Residence Place: All Saints, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Father: Henry Horton
Mother: Mary Ann Horton
Betsey Horton
in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Name: Betsey Horton
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 44
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1834
Marriage Date: 8 Aug 1878
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St John, Lancashire, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Henry Horton, mariner <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: John Roberts
For our info - the family in 1841, which you will have already:
Mary Horton
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Mary Horton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Runcorn
Hundred: Bucklow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration District: Runcorn
Sub-registration District: Runcorn
Neighbors:
Piece: 95
Book: 20
Folio: 13
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Horton 30
Jane Horton 12
Joseph Horton 10
Mary Horton 8
Betsy Horton 6
William Horton 4
Daughter Jane's marriage??
Jane Horton
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Jane Horton
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1829
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Feb 1851
Parish: Prescot, Lancashire, England
Spouse: John Gorst
Spouse Age: 25
Father: Henry Horton, waterman <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse Father: Richard Gorst
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Henry & Mary Ann's sons Joseph and Henry were both at sea:
Henry Horton
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Henry Horton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Mate
Gender: Male
Where born: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Carnarvon Bay
County/Island: Misc Ships at Sea or Abroad
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration District: Misc Ships
Sub-registration District: Misc Ships
ED, institution, or vessel: Llanfair
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 1
Piece: 4464
Folio: 110
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Horton 32 - Runcorn, Master, married
Henry Horton 30 - mate, widower
Joseph Jones 15 - single, ordinary seaman
also listed, but not transcribed on Ancestry:
Mary Horton, 29, married, Master's wife, Runcorn.
Henry junior's baptism:
Henry Horton
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Henry Horton
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1831
Baptism Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Father: Henry Horton
Mother: Mary Ann Horton
FHL Film Number: 1836130
and marriage:
Henry Horton
in the Caernarvonshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1541-1994
Name: Henry Horton - mariner
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Full age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 12 Sep 1848
Marriage Place: Wales
Father: Henry Horton, mariner <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Louisa Edwards
Page number: 168
Address: North Penrallt, Caernarvon
If that's his marriage, he lied about his age, and so did Louisa, going by age at death.
Louisa's death would fit with his being a widower in 1861 census above:
HORTON, LOUISA 31
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in RUNCORN Volume 08A Page 137
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Sorry, yes marriage was 1826 ... my typo!
No idea if he was a sailor but at the back of my mind I remember seeing one of his sons living in Wales ... I think it was William, I’ll have to check.
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His burial location is on the coast, so a death at sea is entirely feasible-especially in view of the other burials mentioned by alviegal
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So this is the burial. It states his abode was Runcorn. There were 5 burials of young men that day, 3 from Runcorn.
Caernarvonshire Burials
First name(s) Henry
Last name Horton
Burial year 1836
Burial date 02 Aug 1836
Place Dwygyfylchi
Parish Dol Wyddelan
County Caernarvonshire
Country Wales
Archive type Burials
Archive year range 1813-1867
Page 20
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His marriage, 1826 not 1824. Do you know if he was a sailor?
Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Marriages 1538-1910
First name(s) Henry
Last name Horton
Marriage year 1826
Marriage date 26 Sep 1826
Marriage place Daresbury
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann
Spouse's last name Blackburn
City or town Daresbury
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 3 p 155
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I have Henry Horton married to Mary Ann Blackburn. He was born about 1807 in Shropshire and baptised 25 Sept 1807 in Liverpool. He married Mary Ann in 1824 in Daresbury, Cheshire.
Searching for a death for Henry I saw a possible death for him on an Ancestry member's tree. She had a death for him in 1836, but said he died at sea on 29 July 1836 and was buried in Caernarvgenshire. on 2 August. I can't find any reference to his dying at sea and wondered if anyone had any clue where to find this. I've emailed the Ancestry member but heard nothing yet.
Thanks.
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