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This is the ONLY illegitimate birth for a JOSEPH in the right district and quarter. (Assuming that his DoB in 1939 is accurate, and that his birthplace is given correctly in 1911)


O BRIAN, JOSEPH -
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in WHITEHAVEN Volume 10B Page 628

BUT..............not him

Deaths Sep 1880 (>99%)
O'Brian Joseph 0 Whitehaven 10b 394

The marriage cert is the only way forward.

Just for info - Ancestry's version of 1901, already mentioned by ErikaH:

Joseph Carven
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Joseph Carven
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wakington, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Whitehaven
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Whitehaven
Sub-registration District: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors:
Piece: 4891
Folio: 17
Page Number: 21
Household Schedule Number: 127

Joseph Carven 19 - farm cattle man

Doesn’t help

Name: Joseph Carver
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: abt 1882
Registration Date: Apr 1946
[May 1946]
[Jun 1946]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Whitehaven
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 652

No Joseph Carver birth that would match with that birth date

If you haven’t got it then the marriage cert may help identify him

tHANKYOU

no joseph carver born in cumberland

Name:
Joseph Carver
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Place:
Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Registration District:
Whitehaven
County:
Cumberland
Registration Quarter:
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year:
1904
Volume:
10B
Affiliate Line Number:
126
Possible Spouse:
Mary Ann Johnston
Possible Spouse:
Daniel Fisher Telford
Possible Spouse:
Sarah Ann Wilson

1901 in hospital?

Perhaps his birth name wasn’t Carver

Did he name a father when he married?

DoB 30 th June 1880, according to 1939 register

Try freebmd

Or -better - the GRO site which gives MMN if the mother was married

for info

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

5 Chapel Row Rowrah Cumberland, Arlecdon, Cumberland, England


Joseph's occupation

Signalman Railway

4 people nearby also had that occupation.
See who they were
Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Carver Head Married Male 30 1881 Signalman Railway Cumb Cleaton Moor
Mary Ann Carver Wife Married Female 31 1880 - Cumb Workington
George Carver Son - Male 4 1907 - Cumb Workington
William Johnston Boarder Single Male 25 1886 Worker Cabdriver Cumb Cleaton Moor

Hello
I am looking for a birth for Joseph Carver born1880/1 at Cleator Moor Whitehaven Cumberland
Or1881/1892 Census
He was married to MaryAnn Johnstone
Thank you