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Valerie
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2 Dec 2020 15:50 |
Hi I am trying to trace the family of a Lillian's Birks her married name (I believe her maiden name might have been Jones) and also trace her husband's family as well I think they may have got married in Newport Monmouthshire in 1914 not sure if they had any children She was born 6/7/1884 and died 1972 in Banbury
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ArgyllGran
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2 Dec 2020 15:58 |
For our reference:
Deaths Dec 1972 (>99%) Birks Lillie 6JY1884 Banbury 6b 2484
Lillie Birks in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Lillie Birks Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 06/07/1884 (6 Jul 1884) Residence Year: 1939 Address: 12 Residence Place: Banbury Oxfordshire England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 28 Schedule Number: 42 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: DYAE Borough: Banbury Registration district: 158-1. Inferred Spouse: Thomas Birks Household Members Age Thomas Birks 61 - 1/10/1878 - fitter, aluminium works Lillie Birks 55
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ArgyllGran
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2 Dec 2020 16:01 |
Marriage - not in Wales:
Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%) BIRKS Thomas Rochdale 8e 70 JONES Lillie Rochdale 8e 70
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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2 Dec 2020 16:06 |
1911 census
Thomas Birks Age in 1911: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Goole, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Rochdale Search Photos: Search for 'Rochdale' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 24 Hare St Rochdale Marital status: Married Occupation: Flour Mill Draughtman Registration District: Rochdale Registration District Number: 470 Sub-registration District: Castleton No 1 ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 24613 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Birks 36 Lillie Birks 36
Married 1 year no children
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ArgyllGran
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2 Dec 2020 16:10 |
Probably Lillie's birth:
JONES, LILLIE mmn HUDSON GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 29
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ArgyllGran
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2 Dec 2020 16:12 |
Lillie Jones in the 1891 England Census Name: Lillie Jones Gender: Female Age: 6 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1885 Father: William Jones Mother: Sarah Jones Birth Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Castleton Ecclesiastical parish: Rochdale Residence Place: Castleton, Lancashire, England Registration District: Rochdale Sub registration district: Castleton Nearer ED, Institution or Vessel: 8 Neighbors: Piece: 3331 Folio: 29 Household Members: Name Age William Jones 33 Sarah Jones 33 Lillie Jones 6 John H Jones 4 Jessie Jones 2
JONES, JESSIE mmn HUDSON GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 31
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ArgyllGran
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2 Dec 2020 16:16 |
Lillie Jones in the 1901 England Census Name: Lillie Jones Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: William Jones Mother: Sarah E Jones Birth Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Rochdale Ecclesiastical parish: Rochdale St Luke County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Rochdale Sub-registration District: Castleton Nearer ED, institution, or vessel: 09 Neighbors: Piece: 3834 Folio: 177 Page Number: 24 Household Schedule Number: 178 Household Members: Name Age William Jones 42 Sarah E Jones 42 Lillie Jones 16 John H Jones 14 Jessie Jones 11 Mary Jones 9
JONES, MARY mmn HUDSON GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 33
???? JONES, JOHN HIGHTON mms BURTON GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 32
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ArgyllGran
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2 Dec 2020 16:25 |
Thomas Birks in the 1881 England Census Name: Thomas Birks Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relationship to Head: Son Father: Thomas (Junr) Birks Mother: Annie Birks Gender: Male Where born: Goole, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Goole County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: Goole Barracks Mill House Education: Employment status: View image Registration District: Goole ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: Piece: 4701 Folio: 25 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Thomas (Junr) Birks 35 - journeyman miller Annie Birks 34 Robert L. Birks 7 Thomas Birks 6 Arthur Birks 3 Charlotte Birks 1 Annie Longbottom 14 - servant
BIRKS, CHARLOTTE mmn WOODHEAD GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in GOOLE Volume 09C Page 743
BIRKS, THOMAS mmn WOODHEAD GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in GOOLE Volume 09C Page 733
Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%) Birks Thomas Gilderdale Goole 9c 951 Woodhead Annie Goole 9c 95
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ArgyllGran
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2 Dec 2020 16:28 |
There are a lot of Birks/Jones births after 1911, in various places, but impossible to know if any of them are Thomas and Lillie's children without buying the certs.
There was one in Banbury, but you'd need the cert to check parents' names:
Births Sep 1913 (>99%) Birks Francis W Jones Banbury 3a 2268
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ErikaH
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2 Dec 2020 16:50 |
Here's where to look for basic info
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2020 17:53 |
Told the son born in Banbury name is Frank Birks
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ErikaH
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2 Dec 2020 18:04 |
Frank is a common abbreviation of Francis
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2020 18:46 |
Hi Thank you so much for all this info you are all great.......... stay safe <3 <3
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ArgyllGran
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2 Dec 2020 19:25 |
Francis W Birks in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Francis W Birks Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Birth Date: 15/06/1913 (15 Jun 1913) Residence Year: 1939 Address: 16 Residence Place: Hendon Middlesex England Occupation: Bank Clerk Line Number: 39 Schedule Number: 87 Sub Schedule Number: 5 Enumeration District: BKDK Borough: Hendon Registration district: 130/3 Household Members Age Alice Ross 74 Frank E Stallard 67 Ethel Stallard 59 Kenneth F C Stallard 34 Francis W Birks 26
Francis Birks in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Francis Birks Arrival Age: 34 Birth Date: abt 1913 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 3 Nov 1947 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Bombay Ship Name: Strathmore Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 164521
He was an accountant, and travelling with Phyllis Birks, 31, and xxxxx Birks, 1. (I've redacted the daughter's name, as she is living.)
They were going to 642 Mitcham Road, Croydon.
Going back to India:
Francis William Birks in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Francis William Birks Gender: Male Age: 34 Birth Date: abt 1914 Departure Date: 17 Feb 1948 Port of Departure: Tilbury, England Destination Port: Bombay, India Ship Name: Empire Windrush Shipping Line: New Zealand Shipping Company Limited Official Number: 181561 Master: J G X Almond
Travelling with Phyllis and daughter. The family must have been showing the baby to grandparents or other family members, as the child wasn't born in the UK - presumably in India.
They returned to the UK in 1952:
Francis Birks in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Francis Birks Arrival Age: 38 Birth Date: abt 1914 Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia Arrival Date: 6 Apr 1952 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Sydney; Melbourne; Adelaide; Fremantle; Colombo; Bombay; Aden; Port Said and Marseilles Ship Name: Stratheden Shipping Line: P and O Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 165614
Travelling with Phyllis and daughter.
Francis W Birks in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Francis W Birks Registration Date: Oct 1952 [Nov 1952] [Dec 1952] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Pancras Inferred County: Middlesex Spouse: Phyllis B A Cooksey Volume Number: 5d Page Number: 781
Probable death, although DOB is one year out:
Francis William Birks in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Francis William Birks Death Age: 65 Birth Date: 15 Jun 1914 Registration Date: Apr 1980 [May 1980] [Jun 1980] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Chelmsford Inferred County: Essex Volume: 9 Page: 1793
Deaths Mar 1977 (>99%) BIRKS PHYLLIS BARBARA A 22OC1916 CHELMSFORD 9 2077
The daughter married in 1969, and she and her husband are at an Essex address on the 2020 Electoral Roll.
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