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Marriages Sep 1840 (>99%)
HAYCOCK William Birmingham 16 296
TIBBITTS Ann Birmingham 16 296


Henry Haycock
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Henry Haycock
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Haycock
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
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County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Kings Norton
Sub-registration District: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 101
Piece: 2048
Folio: 74
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Haycock 38
William Haycock 7
Henry Haycock 5


Ann's death:

HEYCOCK, ANN 28
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 18 Page 280


Must have died in childbirth:

HAYCOCK, JAMES mms TIBBITTS
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 18 Page 441


HAYCOCK, JAMES 0
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 18 Page 281

William and Eliza may be the parents (or at least Eliza is) of Frederick 1853 (YOB as per 1881 census) .

See 1871 census listing Frederick Traunter c1851 posted earlier by safc.


And in 1861:

Fredk Haycock
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Fredk Haycock
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Haycock
Mother's Name: Eliza Haycock
Gender: Male
Where born: Knorton, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Kings Norton
Sub-registration District: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 80
Piece: 2119
Folio: 80
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Haycock 48
Eliza Haycock 40
Willm Haycock 18
Henry Haycock 15
Fredk Haycock 10



TRANTER, FREDERICK -
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 18 Page 430


Henry and William junior are the sons of a previous wife of William senior:

HAYCOCK, HENRY mms TIBBITS
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in ASTON UNION Volume 16 Page 157

HAYCOCK, WILLIAM mms TIBBETTS
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in SOLIHULL UNION Volume 16 Page 463

it gets worse!! We have a Haycock and a Tranter getting married !! :-S

First name(s) William
Last name Haycock
Name note -
Marriage year 1851
Marriage date 27 Oct 1851
Marriage place Birmingham
Spouse's first name(s) Eliza
Spouse's last name Tranter
Spouse's age -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

TRANTER, RICHARD mms HAYNES
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 250


Richard Tranter
in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1919
Name: Richard Tranter
Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1882
Baptism Place: Bordesley, St Alban, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Bordesley, St Alban
Father: Frederick Tranter
Mother: Charlotte Tranter

Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
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County Worcestershire
Place (Links to more information) King's Norton
Church name (Links to more information) St Nicolas
Register entry number 314
Baptism date Dec 1850
Person forename Frederick
Person sex -
Mother forename Eliza
Mother surname TRANTER
Person abode King's Norton
Transcribed by Valerie Tatlock
File line number 306

Charlotte Haynes
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Charlotte Haynes
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard Haynes
Mother's Name: Emma Haynes
Gender: Female
Where born: Leamington Priors, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Leamington Priors
Town: Leamington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Warwick
Sub-registration District: Leamington
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 61
Piece: 2221
Folio: 60
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Haynes 42
Emma Haynes 42
William Haynes 17
Emma Haynes 15
Henry Haynes 13
Martha Emely Haynes 11
Charlotte Haynes 8
Charles Haynes 5
Elizabeth Haynes 3



Richard Haynes
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Richard Haynes
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Lower Boddington Northamptonshire England
Civil Parish: Leamington
Town: Leamington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration District: Warwick
Sub-registration District: Leamington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 127
Piece: 3193
Folio: 86
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Haynes 53
Emma Haynes 52
Emma Haynes 25
Charles Haynes 15
Elizabeth Haynes 13
Louisa Haynes 9

Record Transcription:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Village, Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England
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Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Haycock Head - Male 58 1813 - Warwickshire, England
Eliza Haycock Wife - Female 52 1819 - Worcestershire, England
Frederick Traunter Son - Male 20 1851 - Worcestershire, England
Thomas Traunter Nephew - Male 15 1856 - Worcestershire, England

Thomas Edward's death:

Thomas Edward Tranter
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Thomas Edward Tranter
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Registration Year: 1875
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 1
Registration District: King's Norton
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 252

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First name(s) Frederick
Last name Haycock
Sex Male
Age Full
Marital status bachelor
Residence Burnswick Street
Occupation Bricklayer
Marriage year 1872
Marriage date 21 Jan 1872
Denomination Anglican
Place Leamington Spa, All Saints
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Spouse's last name Haynes
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's marital status spinster
Spouse's residence Burnswick Street
Father's name William Haycock
Father's occupation Labourer
Spouse's father's name Richard Haynes
Spouse's father's occupation Gardener
By licence or by banns Banns
First witness Richard Haynes
Second witness Elizabeth Lees
County Warwickshire
Country England
Document type Parish registers
Archive
Warwickshire County Record Office
Archive reference DR0514/29
Page 134
Record type Marriages
Record's year range 1868-1874
Record set Warwickshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
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I have just found Charlotte Heynes b1853 in Leamington which opens a right load of questions.

She married Frederick Haycock 12/1/1872 in Leamington.

They had a son Frederick Haycock in June Qtr 1872 in Kings Norton with MMN Haynes

Ann Haycock 1873 Kings Norton with MMN Haynes

In the mean time Thomas Edward Tranter was born 1874 Kings Norton with MMN Haynes

Richard (same name as Charlotte's father) Tranter was born in Birmingham 1881 with MMN Haynes

Frederick Tranter
England, Warwickshire, Parish Registers, 1535-1963

Name:
Frederick Tranter
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
22 Feb 1897
Event Place:
Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom
Age:
24
Marital Status:
Single
Birth Year (Estimated):
1873
Father's Name:
Frederick Tranter
Spouse's Name:
Emily Wright
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Age:
19
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1878
Spouse's Father's Name:
Daniel Wright

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Frederick Tranter
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Frederick Tranter
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
12 Feb 1854
Event Place:
Stoke Prior, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Stoke Prior, Worcester, England
Gender:
Male
Father's Name:
Seymour Tranter
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

Still only one child, so where did you find the other two?

Have you investigated the ‘nephew’ on 1891?

Have you submitted corrections for the mistranscription in 1891?

1891 under Granter

Nothing on GRO

I can see them in 1881 - with only one child - Frederick C

for info

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

15 C 2H, 15, Moseley Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick Tranter Head Married Male 28 1853 Bricklayer King's Norton, Worcestershire, England
Charlotte Tranter Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Leamington, Warwickshire, England
Frederick C Tranter Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar King's Norton, Worcestershire, England

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On which census have you found the family together?

Where were the children born?

Frederick Tranter 1854 Kings Norton, had 3 children, Frederick 1873, Charles,1878 and Richard, 1881 with Chalotte, 1853 Leamington Warwickshire.

My probles are :
1) I cannot find Frederick's parents
2) cannot find a marriage between Frederick and Charotte, which in turn means I cannot find Charlotte's maidenname

Can anyone hlep please?

Gerry