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Evening everyone
so I have asked asked helped before about the soldiers at Upnor Castle
I work at the castle and am doing a census project I wonder if someone could have a look at a particular family on the castles census of 1841? the civil parish is Frindsbury Kent but the census page clearly says upnor castle
so the family is listed as Donaghue father John mother Celia and on genes a male child of 5 months on Genes the child is listed as James ...on ancestry as Ioma?
on ancestry too the parents birth places are recorded as being Ireland and that would make sense as there were a lot of Irish soldiers at the castle the child is registered as being born in Kent
I have tried on Genes and ancestry to find them in the following 1851 census to no avail. Cant seem to find them in any tree search on either sites and have tried a quick link on an irish records with no joy either would someone be able to have a look and see what they think the child's name is ? any ideas where I could look next? John the father was listed as a labourer but the men at the castle were actually soldiers
Thanks

The 1841 census. The people listed all have various occupations but at the top of the page in the occupation header it says - "All soldiers"

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Upnor Castle, Frindsbury, North Aylesford, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Wood Male 20 1821 -
Benjamin Hagarty Male 35 1806 Ireland
Esther Hagarthy Female 20 1821 Kent, England
Richard Plunkett Male 35 1806 Ireland
Catherine Plunkett Female 35 1806 Ireland
Margaret Plunkett Female 15 1826 Ireland
Edmond Derrick Male 25 1816 -
Anne Derrick Female 15 1826 Ireland
Thomas Moore Male 35 1806 -
Margaret Moore Female 14 1827 -
Catherine Moore Female 7 1834 -
Ellen Moore Female 5 1836 -
Pat Somers Male 25 1816 -
Catherine Somers Female 35 1806 -
Michael McDonald Male 25 1816 Ireland
Agnes McDonald Female 15 1826 Kent, England
Ambrose Tidman Male 25 1816 -
Mary Tidman Female 25 1816 -
John Donaghue Male 20 1821 Ireland <<<<<<<<
Celia Donaghue Female 20 1821 Ireland <<<<<<<<
James Donaghue Male - - Kent, England <<<<<<<< 5 months old
Pat Kerwin Male 25 1816 Ireland
Julia Kerwin Female 20 1821 Ireland
Charles Sheaves Male 35 1806 -
Dorcas Sheaves Female 20 1821 Ireland
Mary Ann Sheaves Female 15 1826 Ireland
Charles Sheaves Male - - Kent, England
George Mullin Male 15 1826 -
Jacob Adams Male 20 1821 -
James Larkin Male 20 1821 Ireland
James Goddard Male 20 1821 -
James Bird Male 20 1821 -
Stephen Luther Male 15 1826 -
George Knowles Male 15 1826 -
John Mulligan Male 20 1821 Ireland
Charles Barrett Male 15 1826 -
William Laighton Male 20 1821 -
Maja Halsley Male 20 1821 -
Michael McLoughlin Male 25 1816 Ireland
William Ambrose Male 15 1826 -
George White Male 20 1821 -
George Yates Male 20 1821 -
Thomas Walter Male 25 1816 -
Charles Ironmonger Male 15 1826 -
Thomas Harrar Male 20 1821 -
Peter Byrne Male 25 1816 Ireland
John Cole Male 20 1821 -
Michael Lyons Male 20 1821 -
Thomas Rabbits Male 25 1816 -
David Thompson Male 20 1821 Ireland
Henry Dicks Male 15 1826 -
Lewis Brewer Male 15 1826 -
Eli Courtney Male 15 1826 -
William Bigwood Male 20 1821 -
William Nuns Male 25 1816 -
James Downey Male 20 1821 -
George Croucher Male 20 1821 -
George Macher Male 15 1826 -
William Taylor Male 15 1826 -
George Page Male 20 1821 -
Thomas Barrow Male 15 1826 -
Bart Roan Male 35 1806 Ireland
Thomas Harvey Male 20 1821 -
Philip Stacks Male 15 1826 -
George Glover Male 20 1821 -
Charles Coggins Male 20 1821 -
Thomas Duffy Male 20 1821 Ireland
James Weigley Male 15 1826 -
Thomas Dowring Male 20 1821 -
John Bird Male 20 1821 Ireland
Mary Gardener Female 15 1826 -
Charles Coggins's Census Details

your previous thread - always better to continue on the original so helpers don't have to go back and forwards looking for what has already been found

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1387687

If John remained a Soldier, he could be anywhere in the world 10 years later, or have left the Army and be working another trade. And not necessarily with Celia and/or James for whatever reason. John and Celia could be aged between 30 and 34 by 1851 as census ages in 1841 of over 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5.

I'm not seeing any of them individually or together on the 1851 England/Wales nor in Scotland. Nor am I seeing a birth registration for James (Surname variations included) in late 1840/early 1841 - but there was no penalty for not registering a birth until the 1870's.

If they were back in Ireland, well there really wasn't a census that has survived until those of 1901 and 1911

Since the other thread was general info and this is about a specific family, I'm going to answer here.

The General Register Office births index

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

has this info:

DONAGHUE, JAMES
mother's surname: BROPHY
GRO Reference: 1841 March Quarter
in ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS MIDDLESEX
Volume 01 Page 124

That matches up with the info you have.

The index doesn't show any other Donaghue-Brophy births up to 1850 (including asking for similar-sounding surnames).

The man could have left the Army by 1851 and returned to Ireland with his family

Although the birth posted by JoonieCloonie may well be the right one, don't assume that it definitely is.

As GG said, there was no penalty for not registering a birth at that time.
The census says the child was born in Kent. If that's correct, there's no Donaghue (or variation of spelling) birth registered in Kent 1840-41.

If born in Frindsbury, the reg district would have been North Aylesford.

Looking at the IMAGE, I would suggest that the name is DonOghue - as per Ancestry's transcription , rather than DonAghue as per FMP

Any thoughts?

In 1841, the particular regiment(s) isn't/aren't recorded, unfortunately.

In 1851 there seems to be a great mixture:
80th , 26th, 83rd, 94th, 22nd, 70th, 8th, 10th Regiments.

Even if the same regiments were there in 1841, it's still no help in tracking down John Donoghue.

Ancestry has a few Chelsea Pensioner records for men of that name , born in Ireland 1817-26, from various units - but no way to know if any of them could be that man.

Hi Everyone thanks for all your replies
I'm sorry if I miss led anyone with this thread
I didn't continue on the previous one as in that I was actually having trouble finding the census listings which I did in the end thanks to people's help. I started a new thread because I thought this was a different question.. This thread was more about the mentioned individual I named and the spelling of his name.. I was actually interested in the fact that baby Donaghue( if that is the spelling) was the only baby in the barracks at the time ( I was probably hoping that he had been born there!)
I, d tried searching with varients on the names with no joy so I was just trying to get other opinions on what the names actually read
I was aware that Irish records are a bit thin on the ground I guess I hoped that because the baby was listed as being born in Kent that there may be some record of his birth all be it a parish record
Thanks to everyone whose given their input and ideas. I will look at each I'm sure they will all help. In the end I may never know but it's that searching that becomes so addictive! :-)