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ArgyllGran
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24 Nov 2020 11:29 |
Ah, so maybe George isn't the father after all! And the nurse child Rosa in 1861 obviously isn't your Rose/Rosena, if the one with sister Hannah is yours.
The children in the 1861 posted by ErikaH:
RICHARDSON, MARGARET ANN LANGSTONE mms LANGSTONE GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in ETON UNION BUCKS Volume 06 Page 361
RICHARDSON, THOMAS mms LANGSTONE GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03 Page 225
RICHARDSON, ANN mms LANGSTONE GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03 Page 249
RICHARDSON, HANNAH mms LANGSTONE GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 63
Can't see Rosa's (or name variation) birth.
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24 Nov 2020 11:18 |
Possible 1861...probably posted before, but worth repeating
Name: Hannah Richardson Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Richardson Mother's Name: Caroline Richardson Gender: Female Where born: St Pancras [St Pancras, Middlesex] Civil Parish: Bloomsbury St George Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration District: St Giles Sub-registration District: St George Bloomsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 15 Piece: 165 Folio: 32 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Richardson 40 Caroline Richardson 41 Margaret Richardson 17 Thomas Richardson 14 Am Richardson 12 Rosena Richardson 9 Hannah Richardson 5
Did Rosa ever marry?
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WhiffingSiggs
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24 Nov 2020 11:00 |
Rosa (Rose)'s birthplace is listed as: 1871 St Pancras. 1881 Middlesex. 1891 St Lukes. 1901 - St Pancras. 1911 District NK (North Kensington?) She is my GG Grandmother. I've removed George from my tree. I'm still assuming Hannah is her sister though it could be a coincidence that they are both working/living in the same place. Rose's name is variously recorded as Rosa, Rose, Rosina and Rosetta.
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24 Nov 2020 10:13 |
The 1871 census you refer to - original shows both girls born St Pancras
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Kings Road, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Williams Head - Male 42 1829 - Devon, England Mary Williams Wife - Female 46 1825 - Yorkshire, England Charles Williams Son - Male 16 1855 - Middlesex, England Arthur Williams Son - Male 13 1858 - Middlesex, England Rosa Richardson Servant - Female 17 1854 - Middlesex, England Hannah Richardson Servant - Female 15 1856 - Middlesex, England
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23 Nov 2020 23:16 |
Hi, sorry to disappear. Rosa (Rose, Rosina) and Hannah Richardson appear together on the 1871 census. They are domestic servants in the household of Henry Williams, Goldbeater. London, St Pancras, Camden Town. I'm assuming they are sisters. Rose Richardson then appears on the 1881 census as the wife/partner of the same Henry Williams. I will look back tomorrow, thanks for all your work, a couple of interesting things brought up here.
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:58 |
From the records posted here, I can't see that Rose/Rosa is anything whatsoever to do with George.
She may possibly be this person:
Rosa Fullbrook in the 1871 England Census Name: Rosa Fullbrook Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: 1853 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Lambeth Civil Parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Hackney Sub-registration District: South Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household Schedule Number: 262 Piece: 329 Folio: 27 Page Number: 47 Household Members: Name Age William Fullbrook 59 Ann Fullbrook 45 Rosa Fullbrook 18
William Fullbrook in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935 Name: William Fullbrook Gender: Male Marriage Age: 53 Birth Date: abt 1812 Marriage Place: West Ham, All Saints, Essex, England Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1865 Father: Joseph Fullbrook Spouse: Ann Richardson [ father - James Richardson ]
William died in 1872, and Ann remarried in 1876, to Henry Kay.
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:55 |
George Richardson in the 1901 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 79 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Bethnal Green, London, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green, East ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: Piece: 295 Folio: 149 Page Number: 40 Household Schedule Number: 242 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 79 - cornice pole maker Ed Richardson 21 - son [ but must be grandson ], furniture maker
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:52 |
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Deaths Jun 1907 (>99%) RICHARDSON George 84 Bethnal G. 1c 88
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:48 |
George Richardson in the 1891 England Census Name: George Richardson Gender: Male Age: 68 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1823 Child: Hannah Richardson Edward Richardson Birth Place: Shoreditch Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simons Zelotes Residence Place: Bethnal Green, London, England Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub registration district: Bethnal Green East ED, Institution or Vessel: 17 Neighbors: Piece: 272 Folio: 14 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 68 - cornice pole maker Hannah Richardson 35 - tailoress Edward Richardson 11 - scholar
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:46 |
Looking at the birth of daughter Hannah Susannah in 1856, could this be her Mother's baptism Yes - William is a Cork cutter. Living in Philips Street
Name: Hannah Caroline Moss Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1825 Baptism Place: St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, England Father: William Moss Mother: Susannah Moss Register Type: Parish Registers Save
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:40 |
George Richardson in the 1871 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: 1823 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household Schedule Number: 79 Piece: 485 Folio: 83 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 48 - cabinet maker George Richardson 16 - son, shoe finisher, Bethnal Green Harriet Richardson 13 - daughter, scholar, Bethnal Green
George Richardson in the 1881 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relationship to Head: Head Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 44 Warley St Marital status: Widower Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cornish Maker [ Cornice pole maker ] Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub registration district: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: Piece: 422 Folio: 83 Page Number: 70 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 50 Hannah Richardson 25 Edward Peter Richardson 1
RICHARDSON, HARRIET ELIZABETH mms MOSS GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 305
RICHARDSON, GEORGE HENRY mms MOSS GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 301
RICHARDSON, EDWARD PETER - GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 245
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:37 |
the original of the 1853 marriage certificate shows Hannah of 13 Grand Street (same as George). Her Father shows as William Moss a Cork Cutter
Name: Hannah Moss Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1853 Marriage Place: St Matthew, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England Father: William Moss Spouse: George Richardson Register Type: Parish Register
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:35 |
Why do you think Rose/Rosa is George's daughter?
Are they together on some other record?
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:33 |
George Richardson in the 1841 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub-registration District: Town Neighbors: Piece: 694 Book: 2 Folio: 5 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Daniel Richardson 13 Elizabeth Richardson 39 George Richardson 18 Mary Richardson 14 Daniel Richardson 8
(Different household) Esther Mercer 40 John Needham 25 Elizabeth Needham 23 Elizabeth Needham 1
Unfortunately the image is so faint that it's impossible to read occupations.
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:31 |
Living alone in 1851:
George Richardson in the 1851 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Shoreditch Sub-registration District: St Leonard ED, institution, or vessel: 09 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 289 Piece: 1534 Folio: 310 Page Number: 64 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 28 - carver,
Hard to tell if it says widowed or unmarried. Probably unmarried.
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:30 |
?? Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Mar 1860 (>99%) Richardson Hannah Bethnal Gn 1c 266
Name: Age at Death (in years): RICHARDSON, HANNAH 37 GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 266
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:27 |
Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%) MOSS Hannah Bethnal G 1c 525 RICHARDSON George Bethnal G 1c 525
George Richardson in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: George Richardson (carver) Gender: Male Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1853 Marriage Place: St Matthew, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England Father: Daniel Richardson (carver) Spouse: Hannah Moss Register Type: Parish Register
Hannah's father: William Moss, cork cutter
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:26 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%) HOWSON William Abraham Bethnal G. 1c 525 MOSS Hannah Bethnal G 1c 525 <<<<<<<< RICHARDSON George Bethnal G 1c 525 <<<<<<<<< Sandall Leah Bethnal G 1c 525
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:24 |
?? Just throwing this one in for now - have to rescue tea!
Births Mar 1856 (>99%) RICHARDSON Hannah Susannah Bethnal Grn 1c 326
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: RICHARDSON, HANNAH SUSANNAH MOSS GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 326
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:24 |
Or there's this other child, who is more likely:
Hannah Susannah Richardson in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Hannah Susannah Richardson Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1856 Baptism Place: St Matthias, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England Father: George Richardson, cabinet maker <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Hannah Richardson Register Type: Parish Registers
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