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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 15:24

We need more info from Edward. We're speculating somewhat at the moment

He has the Gill line (his wife's) in his GR tree, plus Alice, so we need to know who he thinks she was married to

Several GR members have Mansell Gill in trees. One of them has the surname Sanders

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2020 15:14

The same Alice in 1881??

Alice Clark
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alice Clark
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Alton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Alton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: Church Street
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Alton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 1245
Folio: 111
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stiles 53 - London, pensioner, 10th Regt Foot
Mary Stiles 56 - Worldham, Hants.
Ada Stiles 16 - daughter, Africa
Alice Clark 3 - grand-daughter



CLARKE, ALICE MARY mms STILES
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in ALTON Volume 02C Page 161

That would fit the birth date of 28 May 1877 given in 1939.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2020 15:06

Yes, I wondered about that one.

A possible sibling of the Alice Stiles in the 1891 posted by Erika above ???

Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
STILES George Alton 2c 152

I can't see this one GRO.


EDIT:

No, this looks like him in 1881 - no Alice in the family:

George Stiles
in the 1881 England Census
Name: George Stiles
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Stiles
Mother: Esther Stiles
Gender: Male
Where born: East Worldham, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Binsted
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Alton
Sub registration district: Binsted
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 1247
Folio: 27
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stiles 29
Esther Stiles 29
William J. Stiles 7
Eliza J. Stiles 5
George Stiles 4
Goodwin Stiles 1

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 14:54

?????????????

Name: Alice Stiles
Gender: Female
Age: 14
Relationship: Pauper; Inmate (Pauper)
Birth Year: 1877
Birth Place: Alton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Crondall
Ecclesiastical parish: Crondall
Residence Place: Crondall, Crondall, Hampshire, England
Registration District: Hartley Wintney
Sub registration district: Odiham
ED, Institution or Vessel: Farnham and Hartley Wintney District School

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2020 14:41


It looks as if her birth was registered under another surname, and then perhaps her mother married or remarried a Stiles.
You may need to buy her 1896 marriage cert to see what it says about her father (if known).

Possibiities:

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
Hamilton Alice Maud M Fareham 2b 533
HOLMES Alice Maud M Midhurst 2b 377


Births Sep 1877 (>99%)
CORBEN Alice Maud M Portsea 2b 407
DAVIES Alice Maud M Portsea 2b 444


None of those were illegitimate births.

Or maybe she was born somewhere else, but then brought up in Portsmouth/Portsea from an early age, so thought she had been born there.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2020 14:36

Alice M Sanders
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Alice M Sanders
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widowed
Birth Date: 28 May 1877
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 14 Bosham Road
Residence Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 28
Schedule Number: 209
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: EBCD
Borough: Portsmouth
Registration District: 90/1
Household Members:
Name
Alice M Sanders
Alfred J Mahon
William A Mahon

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 14:35

SANDERS, EDWIN SANDERS (MMN) STILES
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in SOUTH MOLTON Volume 05B Page 433


SANDERS, ELLEN MARIA (MMN) STILES
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in SOUTH MOLTON Volume 05B Page 402

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2020 14:34

Alice Sanders
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alice Sanders
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire
Civil Parish: Charles
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: Village, Charles, Near South Molton.
Marital status: Widowed
Registration District: South Molton
Registration District Number: 283
Sub-registration District: South Molton
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 13298
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Sanders 34
William Sanders 13
Ellen Sanders 10
Alice Sanders 9
Emily Sanders 7
Frederick Sanders 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2020 14:25

Alice M Sanders
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alice M Sanders
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: abt 1877
Registration Date: Jul 1962
[Aug 1962]
[Sep 1962]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 437

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2020 14:24

William George Sanders
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William George Sanders
Death Age: 71
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1898
Registration Date: Jan 1970
[Feb 1970]
[Mar 1970]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Barnstaple
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7a
Page: 750


William George H Sanders
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: William George H Sanders
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Barnstaple
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 423


William Sanders
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William Sanders
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: George Sanders
Mother: Alice Sanders
Birth Place: Charles, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Charles
Ecclesiastical parish: Charles St John the Baptist
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration District: South Molton
Sub-registration District: South Molton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 2142
Folio: 7
Page Number: 2
Household Schedule Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Sanders 30
Alice Sanders 26
Edwin Sanders 4
William Sanders 3
Ellen Sanders 1



Alice Maud M Stiles
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alice Maud M Stiles
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: South Molton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 839
Records on Page:
Name
George Henry Sanders
Alice Maud M Stiles

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 14:09

1939
Dadds Tenement Whitsford Cross, South Molton, South Molton R.D., Devon, England

George Hill 08 Mar 1875 Male Farmer Married 16 1
Ellen Hill 07 Oct 1866 Female Household Duties Married 16 2
William Sanders 31 Mar 1898 Male Labourer (Agriculture) Single 16 3


SANDERS, WILLIAM GEORGE (MMN) STILES
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in SOUTH MOLTON Volume 05B Page 413

So there is a Stiles connection, but not StYles.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 13:54



Ellen Crocker (Hill) before her marriage to George
1871
Name: George Saunders
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: 1835
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Selworthy Devon England
Civil Parish: Charles
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration District: South Molton
Sub-registration District: South Molton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household Schedule Number: 11
Piece: 2181
Folio: 65
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
George Saunders 36
Maria Saunders 35
Maria Saunders 7
Ellen C Saunders 6
George H Saunders 1


Name: Maria Crocker
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: South Molton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 787
Maria Crocker
George Sanders

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 13:46

Edward has Alice in his GR tree - it would be interesting to see who he has as her husband

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 13:42

Name: George Hill
Death Date: 8 Mar 1940
Death Place: Devon, England
Probate Date: 23 May 1940
Probate Registry: London, England

Probate to Bessie (wife of Mansell Gill)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 11:41

Mansell Gill is in the poster’s GR tree

1939

Tossells Barton, South Molton, South Molton R.D., Devon, England
Mansell Gill 28 Nov 1898 Male Farmer Married 13 1
Bessie Gill 23 Dec 1906 Female Household Duties Married 13 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Wilfred J Gill 25 Oct 1931 Male At School Single 13 4

First name(s) BESSIE
Last name GILL
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1907
Age 56
Death quarter 4
Death year 1963
District Barnstaple

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Oct 2020 11:03

Someone has compiled a WikiTree, but there are no certificates for Bessie.

Edward needs to get her marriage certificate and work back from there. There are several Hill/Sanders marriages in South Molton.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sanders-15205

Rose

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 10:22

Arthur R Gill, MMN Sanders

Mansell Gill m. Bessie Sanders. JFM 1929

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Oct 2020 10:13

Edward

Which of your father-in-law’s parents had Alice for a mother?

When and where was that person born?

When and where did Alice die?

What research have you done yourself?

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Oct 2020 09:35

There's this but it's not clear how this related to Bessie:

Name: George Henry Sanders
Event Type: Marriage Notice
Event Date: 25 Sep 1896
Event Place: Exeter, Devon, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Exeter, Devon, England
Event Place Note: 113-9133
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Alice Maud Mary Stiles
Spouse's Gender: Female
Newspaper: Western Times
Page Number: 5
Publication Date: 25 Sep 1896
Affiliate Record Type: Marriage

Other information in the record of George Henry Sanders
Name: George Henry Sanders
Event Type: Marriage Notice
Event Date: 25 Sep 1896
Event Place: Exeter, Devon, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Exeter, Devon, England
Event Place Note: 113-9133
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Alice Maud Mary Stiles
Spouse's Gender: Female
Newspaper: Western Times
Page Number: 5
Publication Date: 25 Sep 1896
Affiliate Record Type: Marriage

Digital Folder Number: 102117898
Image Number: 00228

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Oct 2020 07:20

If I'm correct, this is your father in law's mother:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SANDERS, BESSIE HILLS
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in SOUTH MOLTON Volume 05B Page 382

MMN is Hills.

This looks to be her in 1911:

Name: Bessie Sanders
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: East Buckland, Devon, England, United Kingdom
County: Devonshire
Parish: East Buckland
Sub-District: South Molton
Sub-District Number: 2
District Number: 283
Enumeration District: 7
Registration District: South Molton
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Number in Family: 4
Birth Year (Estimated): 1907
Birthplace: Charles, Devonshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Niece
Schedule Type: 16
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG14

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Hill Head M 36 North Molton, Devonshire
Ellen Hill Wife F 44 Charles, Devonshire
Lucy Hill Sister F 17 South Molton, Devonshire
Bessie Sanders Niece F 4 Charles, Devonshire

George appears to have married Ellen Crocker Sanders. It's unclear whether Bessie is from his side of the family or Ellens.

Rose