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Well, that was more time wasted..........................

A previous thread on this man with a lot more information but we never did find out anything conclusive.


https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1365004?page=0

I've looked at the IrishBMD site - no record of a birth for a John West Girvan

Patricia

How do you know that JWG was born in Northern Ireland? Have you any proof?

Name:
Wilfred Everard
Event Type:
Baptism
Event Place:
Boulton, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Derbyshire, Boulton, Chapelry of Boulton
Christening Date:
19 Jul 1919
Father's Name:
Jack West Girvan
Mother's Name:
Audrey Dorothy Ethel Girvan

Name:
John West Girvan
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
10 May 1919
Event Place:
Alvaston, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Gender:
Male
Age:
24************************************************************NOTE
Marital Status:
Single
Birth Year (Estimated):
1895
Father's Name:
Joseph Girvan
Spouse's Name:
Audrey Ethel Hallworth
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Age:
21
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1898
Spouse's Father's Name:
Thomas Hallworth

1901 for the man posted above in 1939

Name: John Wilson Girvan
Age: 2 Mos
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William Murdock Girvan
Mother's Name: Hannah Lindsay Girvan
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkmahoe, dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 835
Registration District: Kirkmahoe
Civil Parish: Kirkmahoe
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Auchenwrath
ED: 4
Household Schedule Number: 11
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1901_432
Household Members:
Name Age
William Murdock Girvan 28
Hannah Lindsay Girvan 25
William Murdock Girvan 3
John Wilson Girvan 2 Mos
Barbara Ferguson 19
John Dalzield 15

Please ignore this post (see Erika's post below).

This is the only John W. Girvan that I can find in the 1939 register. He says he is single but if Audrey married for a second time using her maiden name then they may have just split up and gone their separate ways because divorce was too expensive back then. :-

Otby House Farm, Walesby, Caistor R.D., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number

William M Girvan 31 Jan 1873 Male Farmer Married 54 1
Hannah L Girvan 25 Mar 1875 Female Housewife Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 54 2
John W Girvan 30 Mar 1899 Male Farmer (Arable & Machinery) Single 54 3<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Girvan 16 May 1916 Male Farmer (Sheep) Single 54 4
Kate Crawford (Bennett,Blow) 08 Feb 1907 Female Domestic Servant Mental Defaective On Licence From Harmston Hall Col? Single 54 5

Kath. x

Audrey's death:-

First name(s) AUDREY ETHEL
Last name WOOLLEY
Gender Female
Birth day 11
Birth month 6
Birth year 1898
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1969
District Derby
County Derbyshire
Volume 3A
Page 663
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

Wilfred's death:-

First name(s) WILFRED EVERARD
Last name GIRVAN
Gender Male
Birth day 3
Birth month 7
Birth year 1919
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1996
District Blackpool & Fylde
District number 5811B
Register number B45C
Entry number 112
Date of registration mm/yy 1196
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

This is Audrey in the 1939 register with her second husband (also with Wilfred):-

27 Moor Drive, Derby, Shardlow R.D., Derbyshire, England

Woolley household
(4 people)

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number

John Woolley 30 May 1905 Male Iron Steel & Metal Dresser Married 362 1
Audrey Ethel (A) Woolley 16 Jun 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 362 2<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Audrey Anne Woodhouse (Woolley) 18 Dec 1934 Female Under School Age Single 362 3
Wilfred Girvan 02 Jul 1919 Male Apprentice Coppersmith Single 362 4<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

This is the daughter's birth:-

First name(s) DOROTHY
Last name GIRVAN
Birth year 1923
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Hallsworth
District Bakewell
County Derbyshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 1422
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

The birth of the son Alan does not give a middle name so it must have been added at a later date - possibly at baptism.

As already suggested - you need to buy a copy of the 1919 marriage certificate.

Kath. x

Audrey remarried in 1930 using her maiden name.

You need to buy the 1919 marriage certificate for John West Girvan to find the name and occupation of his father if you wish to work back from him.

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Born in N. Ireland approx 1898
Married Audrey Hallsworth 1919 in Alvaston Derbyshire UK.
.Father of Wilfred Everard b. 1919
Father of Alan Terence b. 1925
Plus a Daughter details unknown
Links to Girvan family relocated to Liverpool from Ireland, living and working in the docks.