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OK - found Annie in 1861

Name: Anna Whiteway
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Female
Where born: Bemson, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Leamington Priors
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Leamington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration District: Warwick
Sub-registration District: Leamington

Name: Annie Cheshyre Whiteway
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Runcorn
Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1851
Baptism Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Father: Robert Cheshyre Whiteway
Mother: Ann Whiteway

Where was Annie in 1861?

If Robert married Mary Shaw in 1870 - where is she on the 1871 census?

And why does he say he's a widower?

New Zealand, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: William Frederick MacMurray
Birth Date: 19 Oct 1879
Birth Place: Wales, England
Enlistment Date: 17 Sep 1917
Father: William Macmurray
Father Birth Place: Newry, Ireland
Mother: Mary Chester Macmurray
Mother Birth Place: Liverpool, England
Service Number: WW1 67995

Thank you Shirley and ErikaH.
Sorry, I just wrote a reply and lost it!
I did see the baptism records but didn’t put together there were no birth records. I didn’t check for the other siblings.
I had thought the children could have been illegitimate but wanted to confirm with a record.
Thank you so much for your help.
Regards, Carole

I think she is Mary shaw

Can’t see them on the census together until after she remarried Charles Bryan

Mary whiteway had married before the 1881 census


Reginald does give his dad as Robert Cheshire whiteway when he married

The children were the illegitimate children of Mary shaw and Robert
Cheshire whiteway

If the son, born 1854 had MMN Johnson, and the ‘father’ was a widower in 1861, the mother was Ann, nee Johnson who died in 1857, who couldn’t be the mother of Mary. There is no Identifiable record anywhere of the child Mary with the surname Whiteway before her marriage
Could she have been Mary Shaw’s illegitimate daughter?

Thank you Shirley.
So do you think Mary “Shaw” is Mary Cheshyre Whiteway’s mother? Am I thinking too deeply?

Frederick Shaw Whiteway
Age: 75
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1862
Death Date: abt 1937
Burial Date: 29 Jan 1937
Burial Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Cemetery Section: Church of England

Reginald Whiteway
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 8 Sep 1887
Marriage Place: West Derby, St James, Lancashire, England
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Father: Robert Cheshire Whiteway
Spouse: Laura Gertrude Walley



So looks like he had children with Mary shaw pre the marriage and non of the children’s births reg. ,but they were baptised

Mary remarried

Marriages Sep 1873
BRYAN Charles W. Derby 8b 828
WHITEWAY Mary West Derby 8b 828


1881 census

Mary Bryan
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Charles Bryan
Gender: Female
Where born: Runcorn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 19 Fielding St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Watch Makers Wife
Registration District: West Derby
Sub registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3704
Folio: 89
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Bryan 37
Mary Bryan 37
Frederick Whiteway Bryan 19
Reginald Bryan 17
Charles Bryan 15
(not transcribed)

They had several children

Frederick Shaw Whiteway
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1863
Parish: Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire, England
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Father: Robert Whiteway
Mother: Mary Whiteway
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Reference Number: Drl 2/422


Reginald Whiteway
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1863
Parish: Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire, England
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Father: Robert Whiteway
Mother: Mary Whiteway
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Reference Number: Drl 2/422


Mary Whiteway
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1863
Baptism Place: St Marys, Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire, England
Father: Robert Whiteway
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 1468977 IT 1-3


Baptised on the same day
Home address Everton. Father commercial travellor

Thank you Shirley.
Yes, what you have found is what I have seen too. The 1870 marriage is what made me want to look deeper. I thought if I had the birth record that would help. I have tried all sorts of variations of name in freebmd. I haven’t tried gro.
I have the marriage cert so that has been a good base for me to start from.

The son married in 1884 so the 1870 marriage must be for Robert senior

Marriages Jun 1884
Gaskell Mary Taylor Brighton 2b 354
WHITEWAY Robert Chesshyre Brighton 2b 354

Deaths Mar 1857
WHITEWAY Ann Runcorn 8a 157

Sorry people, I have just had visitors call in. I will peruse your answers a bit later.
Thanks so much.

Didn’t marry Mary shaw till 1870


Robert Cheshyre Whiteway
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: West Derby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 560
Mary Shaw
Robert Cheshyre Whiteway


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No yet another Robert

ROBERT CHESHYRE
Last name WHITEWAY
Birth year 1849
Marriage year 1870
Marriage date 17 Feb 1870
Spouse's first name Mary
Spouse's last name Shaw
Bride's age 21
Groom's age 21
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish


Nope it’s the wrong transcription

He was aged 44 a merchant and widower of Mersey View Runcorn

She was Mary Shaw Aged 28 spinster of 40 Spencer street father willian Shaw quarry proprietor

ROBERT CHESHIRE
Last name WHITEWAY
Gender Male
Age 46
Birth year 1826
Death year -
Burial year 1872
Burial date 06 Apr 1872
Parish All Saints
Place Runcorn
Residence All Saints, Runcorn
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 4 p 53
Record group Part 1 - 1
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish burials 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain
Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

Death


Deaths Jun 1872 (>99%)
WHITEWAY Robert Cheshyre 46 Conway 11b 385


Maybe the informant wouid be a clue

Baptism

Mary
Last name Whiteway
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1863
Baptism date 02 Aug 1863
Residence Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire, England
Place Walton on the Hill
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Whiteway
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Whiteway
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
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