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Sidami
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30 Sep 2020 15:52 |
I am looking for Susannah Roberts parents born 1886 Friskney on her marriage to William Jarnell in Friskney 1907 it stated her father as John Henry Roberts on the 1901 it says she is living with her adopted parents Charles and Sarah Hoyles? I see someone else is researching this line on ancestry dies it’s give any detail of her being adopted please?
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Mary
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30 Sep 2020 16:12 |
Susannah Roberts born Boston D qtr 1885 071 431 no mums maiden name
1939 says housewife 5/10/1884 with husband William Jarnell 4/8/1878 but trees on ancestry have him as died 1918.
I think the one who died 1918 was William Jarnell born 1896 Gainsborough to William and Sarah nee Thompson. On army records it states mum Sarah and on his effects it names brother John W.
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ArgyllGran
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30 Sep 2020 16:12 |
No, there are no details - just the bare sentence "She was adopted".
Most trees on Ancestry say she was born in 1886, but the one which says she was adopted gives her DOB as 6 Oct 1884, in Boston, Lincs.
It gives a link to a GRO Index page - but if she's on that page, she wasn't registered as Roberts. Friskney comes under Spilsby reg district.
However, the censuses (1891-1911) all say she was born in Boston, although she lived in Friskney.
If she was registered as Roberts, with no mms, that ought to mean that her mother's surname was Roberts - not her father's. (Unless they both happened to be called Roberts.)
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ArgyllGran
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30 Sep 2020 16:29 |
In 1891 she's with Betsy Ann Beecham (nee Lilley), who is a sister of Sarah Hoyles who became Susannah's adoptive mother per 1901 census:
Betsy A Beecham Name: Betsy A Beecham Gender: Female Age: 23 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1868 Spouse: George Beecham Birth Place: Spilsby, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Boston Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph Residence Place: Boston, Boston, Lincolnshire, England Registration District: Boston Sub registration district: Boston ED, Institution or Vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 2573 Folio: 94 Household Members: Name Age George Beecham 29 Betsy A Beecham 23 John Curley 70 Susan Roberts 5 - Boston, scholar - no relationship given
Betsy Ann Lilley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Betsy Ann Lilley Registration Year: 1885 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Boston Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 469 Records on Page: Name George Beecham Betsy Ann Lilley
Sarah Rebecca Lilley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Sarah Rebecca Lilley Registration Year: 1880 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Boston Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 533 Records on Page: Name Sarah Rebecca Lilley Charles Creasey Hoyles
Sarah R Lilley in the 1871 England Census Name: Sarah R Lilley Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: 1860 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: New Bolingbroke Lincolnshire England Civil Parish: Bolingbroke Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: New Bolingbroke County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration District: Spilsby Sub-registration District: Spilsby ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Household Schedule Number: 65 Piece: 3393A Folio: 55 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age William Lilley 47 Martha S Lilley 51 Martha S Lilley 21 Sarah R Lilley 11 Ellen Lilley 10 Susan Lilley 5 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Betsy Lilley 3 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
"Adoption" would just have been an informal affair. It clearly didn't involve her chainging her name to Hoyles.
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ArgyllGran
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30 Sep 2020 16:44 |
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John H Roberts in the 1901 England Census Name: John H Roberts Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Betsy Roberts Birth Place: Boston, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Boston Ecclesiastical parish: St BotolphTown: Boston County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Registration District: Boston Sub-registration District: Boston ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Neighbors: Piece: 3044 Folio: 93 Page Number: 3 Household Schedule Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age John H Roberts 39 Betsy Roberts 46
John Henry Roberts in the 1911 England Census Name: John Henry Roberts Age in 1911: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Boston, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Boston County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: 19 Locomotive Street Boston Lincolshire Marital status: Married Occupation: Dock Labour Registration District: Boston Registration District Number: 415 Sub-registration District: Boston ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 19598 Household Members: Name Age John Henry Roberts 49 Betsy Roberts 56
Married 10 years.
?? Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%) Lancaster Betsy Boston 7a 930 Roberts John Henry Boston 7a 930
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ArgyllGran
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30 Sep 2020 16:48 |
??? John H Roberts in the 1891 England Census Name: John H Roberts Gender: Male Age: 25 Relationship: Lodger Birth Year: 1866 Birth Place: Boston, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Boston Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph Residence Place: Boston, Boston, Lincolnshire, England Registration District: Boston Sub registration district: Boston ED, Institution or Vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 2573 Folio: 111 Household Members: Name Age David Steado 50 Fanny E Steado 48 Annie Steado 26 George Steado 23 Betsy Steado 13 David Steado 10 Lilly Steado 7 Gertrude Stead 2 John H Roberts 25
Jno. Hy. Roberts in the 1881 England Census Name: Jno. Hy. Roberts Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relationship to Head: Son Father: Henry Roberts Gender: Male Where born: Boston, Lincoln, England Civil Parish: Boston County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Bargate End Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Moulder (Artizan) Registration District: Boston ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 3217 Folio: 89 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Henry Roberts 44 Jno. Hy. Roberts 15
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Mary
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30 Sep 2020 17:22 |
Susan/Susanna Lilley 1865 sister to Betsy and Sarah Rebecca Lilley
Susanna/Susan died 14/1/1899 probate £332.1s to Charles Creasy Hoyles,just wondering if that was for upkeep of Susan/Susannah Roberts. Maybe Susan 1865's daughter!! But I don;t know why she should have Roberts surname
1891 Susanna 1865 with her mum and brother,it states that she has fits
Maryb
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ArgyllGran
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30 Sep 2020 17:39 |
That's a very appealing theory, Mary, especially with the name Susanna. The child looked after by her aunt Betsy in 1891 because her mother wasn't well enough to do so, and then "adopted" by 1901 by her other aunt Sarah after her mother's death.
If it were my search, I'd be very tempted to buy the Roberts birth cert to see what it says.
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Sidami
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30 Sep 2020 22:27 |
Thankyou all so much you are fantastic at solving..
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