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Can anyone in Canada find any trace of Alf or Alfred Storr Winder emigrated to Canada 1920'. May have lived with Deakins .
I can find no trace of my grandfather?

Transcription:
Canada Census 1911

First name(s) Last name Sex Birth year Birth place Relationship to head of household

Edward Deakin Male 1842 England Head
Mary Deakin Female 1845 England Wife
Mabel Buttler Female 1896 England Adopted Daughter
Alfred Winder Male 1889 England Lodger
William Winder Male 1891 England Lodger

Immigration Records Index, 1869-1930
First name(s) Alfred
Last name Winder
Name full party Rev. Robert Wallace
Sex Male
Age 8
Year 1895
Event date 1895-04-07
Ship name Vancouver
State -
Country Canada
Place Marchmont Home, Belleville, Ontario
Record source Library and Archives Canada
Microfilm C-4516
Record type Passenger Lists
Record set Canada, Home Children Immigration Records Index, 1869-1930
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Canada, Americas
This record was previously hosted on mocavo.com

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

19 Abbott Terrace Armley Leeds, Armley and Bramley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire
Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Winder Head Married Male 44 1867 Shunter Gas Works Leeds Yks
Clara Winder Wife Married Female 43 1868 House Work Kilham Nr Duffield Yorks
Alfred Storr Winder Son Single Male 21 1890 Waggon Builder Leeds Yks xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Annie E Winder Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Worsted Winder Leeds Yks
William Winder Son Single Male 15 1896 Bobbin Taker Off Leeds Yks
Tom Strike Winder Son Single Male 13 1898 Bobbin Layer Leeds Yks
Horace Edward Winder Son Single Male 12 1899 Schooling Leeds Yks
Clara Winder Daughter Single Female 10 1901 Schooling Leeds Yks
Constance Victoria Winder Daughter Single Female 8 1903 Schooling Leeds Yks
Mortimer Winder Brother Single Male 33 1878 N E R Shunter Leeds Yks

????

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Cooper Hilda Bramley 9b 547
Hoyle Edwin Bramley 9b 547
Selby Sarah J Bramley 9b 547
Winder Alfred S Bramley 9b 547

his son

Record Transcription:
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) ALFRED STORR
Last name WINDER
Gender Male
Birth day 13
Birth month 2
Birth year 1914
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1992
District Blackpool & Fylde
Register number 292
County Lancashire
Volume 40
Page 566
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

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Alfred S Winder's life in 1939
25 Calverley Drive, Leeds, Leeds C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Winder household
(2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Alfred S Winder 13 Feb 1914 Male ??? Married 211 1
Marjorie M Winder 11 Jul 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 211 2

Maybe ??

Alfred S Winder
in the UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: Alfred S Winder
Regiment or Corps: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire) Regiment
Regimental Number: 1833, 305295

Ancestry's version of the Canadian 1911 census posted by Rootgatherer - for place.
(If this is your Alfred, he's obviously not the one in the army record above. He also can't be the father of Alfred junior 1914, unless Alfred junior was just registered with the Winder name because that was Hilda's name, regardless of who young A's father was):

Alfred Wender
in the 1911 Census of Canada
Name: Alfred Wender
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Race or Tribe: English
Nationality: Canadian
Age: 22
Birth Date: Apr 1889
Birth Place: England
Census Year: 1911
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Immigration Year: 1896
Province: Ontario
District: Muskoka
District Number: 98
Sub-District: 8 - McLean, Ridout
Sub-District Number: 8
Place of Habitation: McLean
Religion: Presbyterian
Occupation: Labourer Lumberman
Works at: In. Camp
Weeks Employed: 60
Hours/Week: 60
Earnings: 350
Life Insurance: 1000
Insurance Cost: 16 92
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Language: E
Family Number: 107
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Deakin 68
Mary Deakin 66
Mabel Buttler 15
Alfred Wender 22
William Wender 20


Presumably the same man in 1921:

Alfred Winder
in the 1921 Census of Canada
Name: Alfred Winder
Gender: Male
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canada
Marital status: Married
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birth Place: England
Residence Date: 1 Jun 1921
House Number: 42
Residence Street or Township: Baysville
Residence City, Town or Village: Baysville Village
Residence District: Muskoka
Residence Province or Territory: Ontario
Residence Country: Canada
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Louise Winder
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Can Speak English?: Yes
Can Speak French?: No
Religion: Church Of England
Can Read?: Yes
Can Write?: Yes
Months at School: 02.89
Occupation: Labourer
Employment Type: 2 Wage Earner
Nature of Work: B?? B
Income: 900
Out of Work?: No
Duration of Unemployment: 01
Duration of Unemployment (Illness): 1
Municipality: McLean
Enumeration District: 104
Sub-District: McLean (Township)
Sub-District Number: 9
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Monthly Rental: BB
Class of House: Single House
Materials of Construction: Wood
Number of Rooms: 5
Enumerator: P B Bastedo
District Description: Baysville Village
Neighbors:
Line Number: 20
Family Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Winder 35
Louise Winder 35
Harry Winder 4
Vera Winder 3


EDIT:

No, this isn't your Alfred:

Alfrèd Winder
in the Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1826-1938
Name: Alfrèd Winder
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1886
Marriage Date: 22 Oct 1913
Marriage Place: Muskoka District, Muskoka, Ontario, Canada
Father: John Winder <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Alice Selina <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Louise Langmaid

Going back to the army record already posted -

Alfred S. Winder
in the UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920
Name: Alfred S. Winder
Rank: Pte.
Military Year: 1920
Regiment: 8th West Yorks Regiment
Regimental Number: 305295
Discharge Unit: York
Discharge Regiment: 8th West Yorks Rgt.
Badge Number: 266665
Piece: 3137
List Number: O 0001/2-0400/1
Record Group: WO
Record Class: 329

Enlisted 6/8/1914.
Discharged 20/4/1917
Wounds: code no 392 (xvi)
Served overseas.
Aged 27 yrs 9 mths on discharge.




Alfred Starr Winder
in the UK, British Army World War I Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Alfred Starr Winder
Gender: Male
Document Year: 1914
Residence Place: New Wortley Leeds, Yorks
Regimental Number: 305295
Regiment Name: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire) Regiment
Number of Images: 27
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
Name Relation to Soldier
Alfred Starr Winder Self (Head)

Middle name is Storr, later in document.
Served in France.
Shell-shocked 1916 at Thiepval.

Received the King's Certificate on discharge - receipt signed by Alfred on 12/9/1920, giving a Leeds address - I can't make out the rest of the address.

Another receipt for something (don't know what) dated 21/1 /1921.

An address (don't know what date): 17 Barfold Square, Armley.

One page is an enquiry (dated 16/4/1938) about him by the Metropolitan Police, re an enquiry by the Commissioner of Police for Ontario, wanting to know about his military service and character.

Well done safc and ArgyllGran. So the Alfred with the Deakin family would seem to be a red herring. He emigrated in 1895. Not sure why the original poster thought he was the Alfed with middle name Storr.

Alfred Storr Winder's birth was registered in the June quarter of 1890 so unless it was a late registration he wasn't born 1889.

The one in Canada was probably one of the other two listed below.



Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WINDER, ALFRED PALMER
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 342
WINDER, ALFRED HENRY LEWIS
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 120
WINDER, ALFRED STORR LONDESBOROUGH
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in BRAMLEY Volume 09B Page 374

It would be useful if Anthony could say why he thought his Alfred should be with the Deakin family in Canada.

Assuming it's Alfred Storr Winder whom Anthony wants to know about, then I agree that he is NOT the one who emigrated in 1895 aged 8, and who maybe lived with the Deakins and married Louise..

All the other records posted are correct for Alfred Storr Winder - ie - 1911 UK census, marriage to Hilda Cooper., death and 1939 for the son Alfred, and the army records.

His birth is the mms Londesborough one - although his age is therefore a year out on the army record. Age 27 yrs 9 mths in April 1917 gives YOB 1889.

Parents' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
Londesborough Clara Bramley 9b 602
Winder Joseph Bramley 9b 602


He was presumably in Canada at least by 1938, when the police were enquiring about him, but I don't see any definite Canadian records for him.

I expect Anthony's just grasping at straws with the Deakins' lodger.
There are lots of records for that man - Voters Lists, etc, up to the 1960's - but nothing obvious for Alfred Storr.

Anthony has Alfred Winder, born 1914 in New Wortley , Leeds. in hs GR tree, so it must be Alfred Storr that he's interested in.

Hilda living alone in 1939:

Hilda Winder
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Hilda Winder
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 9 Sep 1890
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 15 Paisly Place
Residence Place: Leeds, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Occupation: Invalid
Line Number: 28
Schedule Number: 200
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: KGRB
Borough: Leeds
Registration District: 501-1
Household Members:
Name
Hilda Winder


That was her family home address before she married Alfred:

Hilda Cooper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Hilda Cooper
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Armley Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Armley and Bramley
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Paisley Place Armley Leeds
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Mule Pioner Mill
Registration District: Bramley
Registration District Number: 499
Sub-registration District: Wortley
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Piece: 26911
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Cooper 51
Mary Jane Cooper 44
Hilda Cooper 20
Elsie Cooper 18
Alfred Cooper 16
Leonard Walter Cooper 13
Albert Cooper 15
Clifford Cooper 2

Wow! Many thanks to everybody. The Alfred Storr Winder is the one married to Hilda Cooper. who he left circa 1920/23 to sail to Canada. supposedly, as he borrowed the fare from his sister Clara and never paid her back. I believe that she was in touch with him from time to time. He was my Grandfather who I never met and he was never forgiven for leaving his wife Hilda.to bring up her son by herself. He never sent her any money from Canada and just wonder if he had any children in Canada. The police request for info is most likely to chase him for none payment of maintenance for his son, also named Alfred Storr Winder. .

I think the address in Leeds in 1917 to which AG refers was Far Fold Square

Not that it helps with the actual enquiry ;-) ;-)

:-)Many thanks for trying.
Do you think that he could show up in any Canadian death records?

Canadian records are much less readily- available than the UK equivalents

They are much stricter about privacy

Google to find out exactly what is published online

EDITED

I've done just that.................

There is no central registry of births and deaths in Canada. Canadian birth and death certificates must be obtained from the vital statistics office of the province in which the event occurred. They cannot be obtained through the Canadian Embassy.

How Do I Find Death Records? Death records are managed by the state's vital records office as well as the various health departments. To obtain these records, interested and eligible parties may contact the appropriate office for information regarding the record retrieval requirements of the jurisdiction.

Much more to read up on - check it out

The British North America Act 1867 was effectively the constitution of Canada, and was based on the constitution of the UK.
Since there is no central repository for UK BMDs, it should not be a surprise there's no central repository for Canadian BMDs.

In the case of Ontario deaths, they are all public records. However, no index is available for 70 y, so to get a more recent d.cert, you pretty much have to know what's on it to avoid multiple search fees.
So given the delay in transcribing for Ancestry, FS, etc., or guy would have had to have died by at least his 50s to make the online available databases.


My guess re the police enquiry is that he'd applied to join the police, and this was a background check.