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"estate under £5000" does NOT mean that it was £5,000, but that was the upper limit of a category.

It could have been as low as £5 !!

maybe roger

Roger
Last name Moorhouse
Age 32
Birth year 1704
Residence parish Helmsley
Residence county Yorkshire
Licence year 1736
Licence date 21 Apr 1736
Intended marriage place St Cuthbert, York
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Barker
Spouse's age 22
Spouse's parish Kirkdale
Spouse's county Yorkshire
Notes

As the transcriber of the Freereg entry....and poster here! this is my d-in-ls tree research.

Looks like a good lots of strands to follow.
Thank you very much for your time.

"son of Jhn Moorhouse of Helmsley Blackmoor, Linen Weaver, by Grace his wife."

So that's where the son Francis Storry Moorhouse 1810 gets his mdidle name:

John Moorhouse
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: John Moorhouse
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 May 1770
Event Place: Helmsley, Yorkshire, England
Event Place (Original): Helmsley, York, England
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Grace Storry
Spouse's Gender: Female




But therefore the Francis who married Ellin in 1796 isn't the one born c1753, who married Hannah.
He must be the one baptised 1777 with father John (posted earlier by Maddie).
John's baptism also posted by Maddie - 1737, father Roger.

????

Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Yorkshire, North Riding
Place (Links to more information) York
Church name (Links to more information) All Saint
Register type (Links to more information) Unspecified
Birth date 27 Feb 1802
Baptism date 28 Feb 1802
Person forename Margaret
Person sex F
Father forename Fras
Mother forename Elling
Father surname MOORHOUSE
Mother surname PINDER
Person abode Coppergate
Father occupation Currier
Notes 3d child & 2d Daughter. Father son of Jhn Moorhouse of Helmsley Blackmoor, Linen Weaver, by Grace his wife. Mother dr of the late Thomas Pinder of Church Hammerton, Joiner, by Jane his wife.
Transcribed by Anita Carr
File line number 320


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Record Transcription:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Car, Lower, Pickering, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Learn about this record set


Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Matthew Ward Male 40 1801 Yorkshire, England
Margaret Ward Female 35 1806 Yorkshire, England
Francis Ward Male 14 1827 Yorkshire, England
Matthew Ward Male 12 1829 Yorkshire, England
Hanah Ward Female 10 1831 Yorkshire, England
Sarah Ward Female 1 1840 Yorkshire, England

margarets age differs on census

Record Transcription:
Yorkshire Baptisms

Yorkshire, England
Year of marriage: 1890
First name(s) Sarah Ann
Last name Ward
Birth year -
Baptism year 1840
Baptism date 11 Jun 1840
Baptism place Pickering
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Matthew
Father's last name Ward
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Residence Pickering Marishes
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Archive reference PR/PI 1/25
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

matthew is a farmer

Hannah's marriage, just for reference (with ages):

Francis Moorhouse
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Francis Moorhouse
Event Type: Marriage Notice
Event Date: 3 May 1779
Event Place: York, Yorkshire, England
Event Place (Original): Parish Church of Lyth, Diocese of York
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Birth Year (Estimated): 1753
Spouse's Name: Hannah Allanson
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 28
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1751

If Francis 1810 and Jane 1812 , in my earler post - ( both with mms Pindar) are the same family as the earlier births, then this is Francis senior's marriage:

Name: Francis Moorhouse
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Dec 1796
Event Place: Kirk Hammerton, Yorkshire, England
Event Place (Original): Kirk Hammerton, York, England
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Ellin Pinder
Spouse's Gender: Female

Perhaps this is a second marriage, if Hannnah Allison died ??



Possibly Ellin/Eleanor's baptism:

Elinn Pinder
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elinn Pinder
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 14 Jan 1776
Event Place: Kirk Hammerton, Yorkshire, England
Event Place (Original): Kirk Hammerton, York, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Thomas Pinder

Margaret's daughter
Sarah Ann ward born 1840 Pickering V24 P424 mum nee Moorhouse

Sarah married Thomas Pearson
had daughter Margaret Ann Moorhouse Pearson 1873

So it looks like the baptism for a Margaret Moorhouse 1794 by dad Francis is correct

Maybe Francis to Roger Moorhouse 1747 died as there is another Francis baptised by Roger 24/8/1752
Francis Moorhouse married 4/5/1779 in lythe Yorkshire to Hannah Allison witnessed by Robert shout and Frances Allison

Wasn't Allison the middle name of John one of Francis's children?

A tree on ancestry .co.uk has DNA connection to Roger Moorhouse born Helmsley died Horncastle lincolnshire 1710-1770
Married Elizabeth Grubb parents of Francis 1747/1752

Maryb

Thank you for those. They will take a bit of unpicking and checking but I do think/agree that the surname may be a variant and Moorhouse is possible. I do know that some vicars had problems with writing "broad Yorkshire" even in York.

i kow off topic but
1841
Name: Frances Bower
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Strensail
Hundred: Bulmer
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: York
Sub-registration District: Flaxton
Neighbors:
Piece: 1242
Book: 9
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bower 75
Frances Bower 65
William Bower 40

Francis
Last name Moorhouse
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1777
Baptism date 07 May 1777
Residence Helmsley, Yorkshire, England
Place Helmsley
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Moorhouse

Yorkshire Baptisms
First name(s) Francis
Last name Moorhouse
Baptism year 1747
Birth year -
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Baptism place Helmsley
Mother's first name(s) -
Father's first name(s) Roger
Baptism date 05 Apr 1747

John
Last name Moorhouse
Birth year -
Baptism year 1737
Baptism date 12 May 1737
Baptism place Helmsley
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Roger
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) -
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England

It's a bit of a long shot, but the nearest I can see is this one - she wasn't necessarily baptised soon after birth:

Margaret Moorhouse
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Margaret Moorhouse
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 3 Oct 1794
Event Place: Helmsley, Yorkshire, England
Event Place (Original): Helmsley, York, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Francis Moorhouse


And a sister (?) - though not the woman who married in 1796, unless she too was not baptised as a young baby , or else married when she was 10:

Frances Moorhouse
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Frances Moorhouse
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 6 Jul 1786
Event Place: Helmsley, Yorkshire, England
Event Place (Original): Helmsley, York, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Francis Moorhouse


Several other possible siblings, with father Francis, in Helmsley -

Elizabeth - 1 March 1780
Mary - 17 Jan 1782
Roger - 17 Aug 1784;
Jane - 23 Nov 1788
John Allison - 18 April 1791
Franky - 18 April 1791
Francis Storry - 17 June 1810 ( with mother Ellin Pindar named )
Jane - 13 June 1812 (mother Eleanor Pindar)

All census have PoB Helmsley but nothing showing for there. Frances may be aunt given dates and Robson (FSO) may be brother but without a link can't get parents. Really trying to find where the £5000 came from!

Thanks for thoughts. Archives still closed in Northallerton but can use Borthwick for some registers.

a POSSIBLE relative
Frances
Last name Moorish
Status spinster
Banns year 1796
Marriage year 1796
Marriage date 24 Oct 1796
Place Pickering
Residence Pickering
Spouse's first name(s) Joseph
Spouse's last name Bower
Spouse's residence Thornton
Witness 1 Robt Clarke
Witness 2 Thomas Bower
County Yorkshire (North Riding)

but no baptisms on fmp

1851 -- ref to pob


Low Carr, Pickering, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Matthew Ward Head Married Male 55 1796 Agricultural Laborer Ugthorpe, Yorkshire, England
Margaret Ward Wife Married Female 60 1791 - Helmsley, Yorkshire, England
Francis Ward Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Ag Lab Middleton, Yorkshire, England
Sarah Ann Ward Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Yorkshire, England
William Hesletine Servant Unmarried Male 22 1829 Farm Laborer Wilton, Yorkshire, England

Trying to find birth/baptism/parents of Margaret Moorish c 1791 - 1872.

Have all census 1841 -1871; in last two she is "recipient of Parochial Relief" but when she dies, her will probate says "Estate under £5000".
She was at Barker Stakes, Pickering North Yorkshire as a widow in 1861/1871 and died there.
Have tracked all her children, none of them feature in her later life.
She married Matthew Ward in 1820 in Pickering, he died 1854 and was a Publican & Farmer 1841; Ag Lab 1851.

Ancestry not showing anything for surname at all in Yorkshire apart from Baptism of Robson Moorish in Scarborough 1794 son of John & Elizabeth.