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25 Sep 2020 19:11 |
That seems possible, Oddly I have an ongoing conspiracy theory... Presuming the potter person was in Thorverton in 1871, I started looking for a possibly parent. I did find a Sydney potter in Thorverton 1871... Age 15 then and born Islington. . On trial for an apprentice. He is in the household of ... Thomas Milford. 42 Thorverton Elisabeth Milford 40 Thorverton Frederick 13 same Kate 11 same Ellen same Annie 4 same Elisabeth 0 Thorverton Sydney Potter 15 Islington
In 1861 he seems to be in clerkenwell, st James, St. John street Rebecca Potter, head 25 broad Clyst Devon Alfred s potter son 5 Islington And a male and female servant
Strange that these are Milfords also from Thorverton. Perhaps he is the father,
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25 Sep 2020 18:14 |
All the daughters of George and Jane are old enough to be Richard's Mother except Laura, as are both sons. Maybe a son admitted paternity and child was raised with his family but registered under Mother's surname? Or just not registered
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25 Sep 2020 17:43 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%) Hammett Jane Crediton 10 119 WREFORD George Crediton 10 119
------------------- BIRTHS - strange no mmn recorded until 1849?
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: WREFORD, MARY ANN - GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in CREDITON UNION Volume 10 Page 82
WREFORD, FANNY - GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in CREDITON UNION Volume 10 Page 85
WREFORD, SIMON - GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in CREDITON UNION Volume 10 Page 91
WREFORD, ELIZA HAMMETT GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in CREDITON UNION Volume 10 Page 93
WREFORD, FREDERICK HAMMETT GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in CREDITON Volume 05B Page 341
WREFORD, ELIZABETH HAMMETT GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in CREDITON Volume 05B Page 401
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: WREFORD, LAURA JANE HEMMETT GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in TIVERTON Volume 05B Page 405
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ErikaH
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25 Sep 2020 17:34 |
I doubt very much that there was ANY connection between them
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25 Sep 2020 17:30 |
1891 seems to me that Richard Milford and Jane lane married in Wales in 1866. I've only just noticed that Richard was from Thorverton. You'll see that George lived in Thorverton where Simon and Laura were born.
But I ve still not sorted the relationship between George and grandson. But hopeful. :- ;-)
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25 Sep 2020 17:29 |
People weren't always as precise back then about relationships.
They may smply have taken in an orphan and given him the status of grandson.
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25 Sep 2020 17:16 |
Thank you for your research.. So it's NOT Frank Richard Potter.
so you see my problem with Richard Potter's birth registration and identity as grandson.
Could he be called grandson if he was adopted/taken in? One generation down, Simon, George's son, did "take in" An orphaned niece.
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25 Sep 2020 16:51 |
This is Frank Richard Potter's baptism record - shows parents as Richard and Eliza Potter
Devon Baptisms
First name(s) Frank Richard Last name Potter Birth year - Baptism year 1878 Baptism date 13 Feb 1878 Denomination Anglican Baptism place Dawlish, St Gregory the Great Father's first name(s) Richard Mother's first name(s) Eliza County Devon Archive South West Heritage Trust Archive reference 1859A/PR/1/9
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25 Sep 2020 16:48 |
Record Transcription: 1911 Census For England & Wales
114 Wentworth St Sheffield, Ecclesall, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Frank Richard Potter Head Married Male 34 1877 Hotel Waiter Dawlish Devon Hannah Elizabeth Potter Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Sheffield Yorkshire Mabel Bertha Potter Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Sheffield Yorkshire
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25 Sep 2020 16:48 |
Finally, FRANK in 1939
West Riding Mental Hospital, Wadsley, Wortley, Wortley R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England Frank R Potter 21 Jan 1878 Male Tram Cleaner ( Corporation ) Married 4 52
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25 Sep 2020 16:46 |
This will be Frank Richard in 1939
Frank R Potter's life in 1939 West Riding Mental Hospital, Wadsley, Wortley, Wortley R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Frank R Potter 21 Jan 1878 Male Tram Cleaner ( Corporation ) Married 4 52
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25 Sep 2020 16:43 |
Record Transcription: Yorkshire Marriages
First name(s) Frank Richard Last name Potter Age 30 Birth year 1877 Residence 28 Bromley ST Marriage year 1907 Marriage date 07 Jul 1907 Marriage place Sheffield, St Stephen Spouse's first name(s) Hannah Elizabeth Spouse's last name Lowe Spouse's age 30 Spouse's residence 28 Bromley St Father's first name(s) Richard Father's last name Potter Spouse's father's first name(s) James Spouse's father's last name Lowe County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies Page 225 Record set Yorkshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
frank is a waiter
richard his father is a butler
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25 Sep 2020 16:30 |
Census - 1891/1901 and 1911 that you think may be him. A lot of occupation changes and moves from Devon - Yorks and back
The 1891 - Holbeck is a district of Leeds
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Malvern Road, Holbeck, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard Milford Head Married Male 49 1842 Cooper Thorverton, Devon, England Jane Milford Wife Married Female 49 1842 - Devon, England Herbert Milford Son Single Male 23 1868 Commercial Traveller Leeds, Yorkshire, England Theodore Milford Son Single Male 19 1872 Pattern Maker Leeds, Yorkshire, England Alfred Milford Son Single Male 16 1875 Clerk In Machine Shop Leeds, Yorkshire, England Archibald Milford Son Single Male 14 1877 School Teacher Leeds, Yorkshire, England Richard Milford Junior Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England Maude Milford Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England Leonard Milford Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England Richard Potter Lodger Single Male 15 1876 Cooper Dawlish, Devon, England <<<<<<<
and the 1901 : 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 4, St Mawes Terrace, Devonport, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Northam Head Married Male - - Labourer Shipyard Hatherleigh, Devon, England Mary Northam Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Northlew, Devon, England Annie Northam Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Housemaid Domestic Northlew, Devon, England James Northam Son Single Male 13 1888 Errand Boy Devon, England Bessie Northam Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Meavy, Devon, England Arnold Northam Son Single Male 3 1898 - Meavy, Devon, England William Northam Son Single Male 0 1901 - Devon, England James Avery Boarder Single Male 18 1883 Labourer H M Dockyard Broadwood, Devon, England Thomas Webb Boarder Single Male 26 1875 Labourer H M Dockyard Dawlish, Devon, England Thomas Kingwell Boarder Married Male 40 1861 Labourer H M Dockyard Ashburton, Devon, England Richard Potter Boarder Single Male 25 1876 Labourer H M Dockyard Dawlish, Devon, England <<<<<<<<< Charles Eastcock Boarder Single Male 24 1877 Labourer H M Dockyard Somerset, England William Pedlar Boarder Single Male 17 1884 Labourer H M Dockyard Portland, Dorset, England
and 1911 -
1911 Census For England & Wales 114 Wentworth St Sheffield, Ecclesall, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Frank Richard Potter Head Married Male 34 1877 Hotel Waiter Dawlish Devon Hannah Elizabeth Potter Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Sheffield Yorkshire Mabel Bertha Potter Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Sheffield Yorkshire
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25 Sep 2020 16:23 |
1881 from FMP for the family you state in OP
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Dinneford Street, Thorverton, Tiverton, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Wreford Head Married Male 63 1818 Masons Lab Morchard Bishop, Devon, England Jane Wreford Wife Married Female 60 1821 - Morchard Bishop, Devon, England Laura Wreford Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Serv(Out Of Employ) Thorverton, Devon, England Richard Potter Grand Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Dawlish, Devon, England
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25 Sep 2020 16:19 |
POTTER, MABEL BERTHA LOWE GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 512
Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%) LOWE Hannah Elizabeth Sheffield 9c 1073 POTTER Frank Richard Sheffield 9c 1073
Name: Hannah E Potter Death Age: 82 Birth Date: abt 1876 Registration Date: Apr 1958 [May 1958] [Jun 1958] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Sheffield Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 2d Page: 199
Name: Mabel Bertha Potter Death Date: 5 Jul 1986 Death Place: Sheffield Probate Date: 23 Jul 1986 Probate Registry: Leeds
1939
6 Barber Place, Sheffield, Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England Hannah Potter 31 Aug 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 195 1 Mabel Potter 12 Sep 1907 Female Restaurant Cashier Single 195 2
Births Mar 1878 (>99%) Potter Frank Richard Newton A. 5b 111 Newton Abbot covers Dawlish
POTTER, FRANK RICHARD (MMN) GODFREY GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 111
Deaths Jun 1940 (>99%) Potter Frank R 62 Wortley 9c 709
1881 - proves he's NOT the person you're researching
Richard Potter Head Married Male 38 1843 Coachman (6/2) Dawlish, Devon, England Eliza Potter Wife Married Female 32 1849 Coachman (6/2) Wife Devon, England Bessie Potter Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Lockwood, Yorkshire, England Olive Potter Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Dawlish, Devon, England Frank Potter Son Single Male 3 1878 - Dawlish, Devon, England Maud Potter Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Dawlish, Devon, England John Godfrey Nephew Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Willand, Devon, England
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25 Sep 2020 15:51 |
Richard Potter appears as grandson in 1881 Dinneford street,Thorverton , Tiverton. RD Devon George Wreford. 63. Mason's labourer. B. Morchard bishop Jane Wreford. 60. " Laura Wreford. 15. Thorverton RIchard Potter. 5. Grandson. Dawlish
I cannot see how he is related to George! HIs children were ... Mary Ann 1843 Morchard bishop Fanny 1845 born same SImon 1847. Thorverton Eliza 1849. Thorverton Laura Jane. 1865
Trying to trace Richard, he may appear in Yorkshire as a 15 yr. old lodger, born Devonshire, and 1901 as HM Dock labourer age 25, in devonport.
I can't find a birth for him to identify his parent.
If he is Frank Richard potter age 34 in 1911 admittedly born Dawlish, I lose him after that, so his beginning and end are a mystery so far.
Ideas welcome .. :-D
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