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Thanks. Just for info. The adoptee has passed away. I will check back with the family.
Thanks for the info on Leslie clough.
Thanks

See what you mean AG,,have added above.so not to confuse issues.

Leslie's not necessarily related - could just be a family friend, as the two families had been neighbours.

I think the full facts from the adoption file is needed to further the adoptees search,,,,as if Mr Hargreaves was the natural father and married to the mother his signed consent was needed for the adoption to be put forward...as scant details from a birth certificate or handed down information may not be of help.

The adoptee can make an application for access.


Leslie and parents lived in the same road as Bertha.Harold and Barrie in 1939 ,so looks to be related.to as how he was witness,

Leslie was a man.
He married (a woman !) in Burnley in 1958.

Leslie emilius clough was born in Burnley in 1931 and died there in 1990. Is Leslie a male or female I wonder. ie is usually a man
They got married in the registry office it says :-)

The witnesses were k Hargreaves which I presume was barrie, s restive and Leslie emilius clough. At least, it looks like Clough. Ends In ough and two letters before it which look like a c and a squirly L.
Barrie had a burnley address, his parents home probably and it was moira who gave the London address of 268 Queensbridge Road dalston London. :-)

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
1900S (CENTURY)
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Barrie Lionel Hargreaves
Residence
1978 Tamaki Auckland

Barrie was in NZ by 1978......

the two surname in Kesington were Needham and Kent both appear to be men. probally a lodging house?...no sign of Moira at that time......I dont think it would be quite so quick to get a divorce in the 1960s unless someone had the money to pay the expense..

the adoption couldnt have taken place 1958 as the child wasnt born then,

So did we say when barrie finally went back to New Zealand then?. What were the names of the other people living with barrie in 1965in Kensington?
Thsnks :-)

Hi.
I can find the witness names but they married in Burnley in 1958in barrie, s home town. Think the adoption was 1958. I'll check :-)

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*****Name: Barrie L Hargreaves*****
Electoral Date: 1965
Street Address: 10 Nevern Place
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington South
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea, England
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3039.

Barrie is actually at ,,,10 Longbridge Road,,,with 2 other males.


It may help if the wedding witnesses names were known and Morias address then.,,,what year did the adoption take place.?

Thanks Mary for that.
Regards :-)

1951 Victor and Elizabeth + others
1956 Victor and Elizabeth French + 2 other families
1961 9 names inc Victor and Elizabeth French at that address

Maryb

Hi
Is it possible to check who was there in 1957?
Regards
Shirley

Victor and Elizabeth French are at 268 Queensbridge Road in 1958, per ER.-

They look to be very nice houses. Worth more th n a million now. Three storys, victorian. I wonder if she was renting a room in there as she only had a job as a clerk.

Yes that's them. I'll check in a moment what the address was in Dalton moira was listed as living at.
The address was 268,Queensbridge Road, Dalston London E8. Does that help in any way maryb?? ??
Regards
Shirley :-)

ame: B L Hargreaves
Arrival Age: 24
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1934
Port of Departure: San Francisco, California, United States
Arrival Date: 7 Aug 1958
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: San Francisco; Suva; Auckland; Sydney; Melbourne; Fremantle; Colombo; Aden and Port Said
Ship Name: Orcades
Shipping Line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 6814/01

Barrie arrived back in England a week in before his parents,in 1958,,,,,all have the same Burnely address as staying residence,

Could another child be born later in London.?

Did it give a street address in Dalston on the marriage certificate.

Maryb