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Ellen
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29 Aug 2020 03:47 |
I have brothers William Mills born 1866 died 8/10/1916 Perth West Aust John Henry Mills born 1869 died 2/6/1946 Perth West Aust & James Mills born 6/7/1873 died 27/8/1919 Perth West Aust
Their father Joseph Mills born 1833 died 13/11/1877 at Warrington Lancashire their mother Ellen ( Nee Travis) born 1842 Warrington died 6/7/1885
I know that these brothers came to live in Western Australia as I have all of their information ,but I would like to know when & how they came to Fremantle Any information would be gratefully receive thank you
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LondonBelle
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29 Aug 2020 06:47 |
William was born in Warrington in 1866
MILLS, WILLIAM TRAVIS GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 162 MILLS, WILLIAM TRAVIS GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 129 But unable to find a birth for John Henry in 1869
So looks like their likely immigration was between 1866-69
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Looks like there could be more siblings, so above immigration period is not right!
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: MILLS, JAMES EDWARD TRAVIS GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 1 MILLS, JOHN TRAVIS GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 2 MILLS, JOSEPH TRAVIS GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 200 MILLS, JOSEPH TRAVIS GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 164
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LondonBelle
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29 Aug 2020 08:59 |
For Ref, looks like Mother Ellen remarries after Father Joseph dies in 1877
1881 Census
Name: Ellen Isherwood Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Thomas Isherwood Gender: Female Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Warrington County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 66 Longford St Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Fustian Cutter Registration district: Warrington ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3797 Folio: 137 Page Number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Isherwood 44 Ellen Isherwood 32 John Mills 13 James Mills 7 Sarah Isherwood
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29 Aug 2020 09:34 |
For Ref
MILLS, JOHN HENRY TRAVIES GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 168
Looks like James & John Henry were still in Warrington in 1901
1901 Census
Name: John H Mills Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation to Head: Brother Gender: Male Birth Place: Warrington, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Warrington Search Photos: Search for 'Warrington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St Elphin County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
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View image Registration district: Warrington Sub-registration district: Warrington ED, institution, or vessel: 45 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3584 Folio: 68 Page Number: 33 Household schedule number: 206 Household Members: Name Age James Mills 27 Mary E Mills 28 Annie Mills 8/12 John H Mills 31
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ArgyllGran
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29 Aug 2020 10:42 |
James and family were in Australia by 1915:
Document dated May 20, 1915.
James Mills in the Australia, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920 Name: James Mills Gender: Male Age: 41 Birth Year: abt 1873 Birth Place: Warrington, England Dossier Year Range: 1914-1920 Enlistment Place: Perth, Western Australia Service Number: 4857 Spouse: Mary E Mills
Address: 53 Wardie Street, Fremantle.
Previous service: 12 years, South Lancashire Volunteers. Occupation: Baker. Had been apprenticed to W Mills, biscuit manufacturer, Fremantle.
The record doesn't say how long he'd lived in Australia.
Daughter Annie's birth:
MILLS, ANNIE mms KENYON GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 251
Another child, so they were still in the UK in 1903:
MILLS, ALFRED JAMES mms KENYON GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 248 Occasional Copy: A
Alfred James Mills in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Alfred James Mills Gender: Male Birth Date: 24 Dec 1902 Baptism Date: 1 Feb 1903 Baptism Place: Warrington, Lancashire, England Father: James Mills Mother: Mary Elizabeth Mills FHL Film Number: 1562967 Reference ID: v 65 p 165
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ArgyllGran
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29 Aug 2020 11:03 |
James and Mary Elizabeth were in Wardie Street in 1914:
James Mills in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Name: James Mills Gender: Male Electoral Date: 1914 Electoral Place: South Fremantle, Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia Residence Address: Wardie street Occupation: Foreman
In that year, John Henry was at 21 South Street, Fremantle. (At least I assume he's the same John Henry.)
James, Mary Elizabeth, and John Henry all at 29 Ada Street in 1910:
James Mills in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Name: James Mills Gender: Male Electoral Date: 1910 Electoral Place: South Fremantle, Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
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James and John Henry at 31 Wardie Street in 1906:
James Mills in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Name: James Mills Gender: Male Electoral Date: 1906 Electoral Place: South Fremantle, Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
So the emigration window is 1903-1906.
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ArgyllGran
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29 Aug 2020 11:07 |
As Mary Elizabeth isn't listed with James in 1906, presumably she went out later (1906-1910).
Long shot :
Nellie Mills 32, Emma 6, and James 3 all travelling together. Emma = Annie ? James = Alfred James ?? Nellie = Mary Elizabeth ???
James Mills in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: James Mills Gender: Male Age: 3 Birth Date: abt 1904 Departure Date: 9 Nov 1907 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Sydney, Australia Ship Name: Dorset Shipping Line: Federal Houlder Shire Line Master: W L Prentice
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Ellen
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29 Aug 2020 13:12 |
I have just found out that James Mills born 6/7/1873 with his wife Mary Elizabeth (nee Kenyon) left Southampton on the "SS Omrah" & arrived in Fremantle 4th April 1904
Also that William Mills (born 1866 ) went to Victoria, he married a Susan Ann Lee in 1891 in Victoria then moved to West Aust I have all of his family details, Still have not found his immigration must be before 1913 as they are living at East Fremantle then
.Still looking for John Henry born 1869 Immigration must have been before 1906 as he is living at South Fremantle I have his death in 1946 in West Aust
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ArgyllGran
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29 Aug 2020 13:16 |
"Also that William Mills (born 1866 ) went to Victoria, he married a Susan Ann Lee in 1891 in Victoria then moved to West Aust I have all of his family details, Still have not found his immigration must be before 1913 as they are living at East Fremantle then"
If I'm understanding that correctly, he must have emigrated before 1891.
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ArgyllGran
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29 Aug 2020 13:47 |
Re the 1904 emigration of James and Mary Elizabeth which you mention -
this is the nearest I can find on Ancestry:
Elizabeth Mills in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Elizabeth Mills Gender: Female Age: 45 Birth Date: abt 1859 Departure Date: 11 Mar 1904 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Fremantle, Australia Ship Name: Omrah Master: F S Symons
Her age is way out, and her husband James, 28, is listed as a musician, so it's probably not her. They're travelling with their son Alfred, aged 1.
If it's them, no sign of Annie.
They reached Fremantle on 20th April 1904:
Elizabeth Millo in the Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923 Name: Elizabeth Millo Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Age: 45 Arrival Date: 20 Apr 1904 Arrival Port: Adelaide and Fremantle, Australia Departure Port: London Ship: Omrah Nationality: Scottish [ it doesn't say Scottish anywhere on the record ]
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ArgyllGran
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29 Aug 2020 13:58 |
Maybe William still in England in 1881:
William Mills in the 1881 England Census Name: William Mills Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relationship to Head: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Warrington County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 16 Foundry St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: General Assistant (Prov Dealer) Registration district: Warrington ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: Piece: 3794 Folio: 67 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Carter 51 Elizabeth Vernon 55 William Mills 16
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Ellen
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30 Aug 2020 01:16 |
Maybe Elizabeth Carter aged 51 years is his Aunt his mother Ellen's sister born about 1834?
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ArgyllGran
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30 Aug 2020 10:03 |
Where did you find the 1904 travel details you mention?
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Ellen
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31 Aug 2020 03:15 |
The Grand Daughter of James & Mary gave me this information she didn't realise she had it until she went thru a suitcase of papers
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ArgyllGran
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31 Aug 2020 11:58 |
This is the marriage, presumably. No image to view on Ancestry, to see if there are any other identifying details:
Susan Lee in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Name: Susan Lee Spouse Name: Wm Mills Marriage Place: Victoria Registration Place: Victoria Registration Year: 1891 Registration Number: 6638
Possible birth of a child:
William Norman Mills in the Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922 Name: William Norman Mills Birth Date: Abt 1901 Birth Place: Fremantle Registration Year: 1901 Registration Place: Western Australia, Australia Father: William Mills Mother: Susan Lee Registration Number: 1945
Not that that answers your question about emigration, and you say you have all the Australian info already.
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ArgyllGran
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31 Aug 2020 12:10 |
As James Mills's army record says he had been apprenticed to W Mills, biscuit manufacturer, Fremantle, maybe this is William's immigration record:
Wm Mills in the Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923 Name: Wm Mills Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Age: 21 Arrival Date: 2 Nov 1887 Arrival Port: Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia Departure Port: London Ship: Port Denison Nationality: English
On the image it says he's a baker.
He was contracted to land at Sydney.
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ArgyllGran
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31 Aug 2020 12:16 |
But this record also lists a baker named William Mills:
Wm Mills in the Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923 Name: Wm Mills Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Age: 21 Arrival Date: Mar 1887 Arrival Port: Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia Ship: Ormuz Nationality: English
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Ellen
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2 Sep 2020 01:06 |
Thank you ArgyllGran we are going with the 1st one as I have been told he worked his passage to Australia ( he was contacted to land in Sydney) Many thanks for all of your help
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