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Edwin James Bowles - A mystery!!!

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Gerry

Gerry Report 26 Aug 2020 15:57

Edwin was born 17/12/1881 at 6 Cook St, Southampton to Charles Bowles and Agnes Rider.

By 1898 his surname had changed to Stokes and he joined the London and South Western railway. He married Florence Emily Bailey 1909

I cannot find anything about his parents Charles and Agnes, their marriage, nor how/why his surname changed. Its likely Agnes married again to a Stokes but I cannot find any record

Can you help please?

Gerry

Gerry

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Aug 2020 16:24

Do you have a copy of the 1909 marriage cert?

What was Charles's occupation (from the birth cert)?

Who registered Edwin's birth?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Aug 2020 16:33

1939...for info only

10 Teddington Adelaide Road, Teddington, Twickenham M.B., Middlesex, England
Florence E Stokes 21 Jul 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 4 1
Edwin J Stokes 17 Nov 1881 Male Railway Clerk Married 4 2

Gerry

Gerry Report 26 Aug 2020 16:47

Hi Erika.
You have helped me in the past

Agnes registered Edwin's birth
Charles was a labourer

Nope. I don't have the Marriage cert


Gerry

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Aug 2020 16:48

The people at No 6 Cook Street on 1881 census are totally unconnected - unfortunately

Surnames, Higgins, Heaney, Wren

Gerry

Gerry Report 26 Aug 2020 17:03

Yes. i had high hopes only to be disappointed!

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Aug 2020 17:05

Have you found him on the 1891 census

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Aug 2020 17:05

Can't see Edwin in 1891 or 1901 - under any name - at the moment

Gerry

Gerry Report 26 Aug 2020 17:27

nor can I

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 26 Aug 2020 17:45

There is this possible marriage?
Marriages Sep 1883
BOWLES Agnes Weymouth 5a 589
Mitchell Elizabeth Comben Weymouth 5a 589
Stokes Charles James Weymouth 5a 589
Stone Charles Weymouth 5a 589

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 26 Aug 2020 17:59

I'm wondering whether Charles Stokes died in 1886 aged 31.

Deaths Mar 1886
Stokes Charles 31 Southampton 2c 10

Then Agnes remarried in 1887 to James Ewins
Marriages Dec 1887
AVERY Jane Southampton 2c 37
Baker Albert Christian Southampton 2c 37
EWINS James Southampton 2c 37
STOKES Agnes Emma Southampton 2c 37

Then could this be Agnes & James in 1891 Census?

Kent Road, South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

James Ewins Head Married Male 39 1852 Railway Porter Honiton, Devon, England
Agnes Ewins Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Gillingham, Dorset, England
James S Ewins Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Southampton, Hampshire, England
Leonard Ewins Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Charles S Ewins Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Southampton, Hampshire, England
George Ewins Son - Male 2 1889 - St Denys, Hampshire, England
Harry Ewins Son - Male 0 1891 - St Denys, Hampshire, England
Anna Bolles Mother In Law Widow Female 66 1825 Monthly Nurse Gillingham, Dorset, England

Could be totally wrong but might be worth investigating further!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2020 18:22

On Ancestry someone has added an alternative name for James S Ewins - James S Stokes - and a note saying that Charles was James's stepfather..


A similar note has been added for Charles S -:

??
STOKES, HENRY CHARLES mms BOWLES
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 27

So is James S actually Edwin James?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2020 18:24

James Ewins
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James Ewins
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Stepson
Gender: Male
Mother: Agnes Ewins
Birth Place: Southampton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portswood
Ecclesiastical parish: Portswood St Denys
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: South Stoneham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Piece: 1069
Folio: 73
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ewins 48
Agnes Ewins 45
Leonard Ewins 18
George Ewins 12
Harry Ewins 10
James Ewins 19 - Railway clerk <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charles Ewins 19


Florence Bailey was also living in Portswood in 1901.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2020 18:31

So why is Agnes called Rider at Edwin's birth??

Agnes Boles
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Agnes Boles
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: 1854
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Gillingham, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Gillingham
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 1327
Folio: 13
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Jane Boles 17 - head
Eliza Ann Boles 15 - sister
Edwin Boles 10 - brother (note name)
Agnes Boles 7
Walter A Boles 4 - brother
Emma Kate Boles 3 - sister


Edwin Bowles
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Edwin Bowles
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Bowles
Mother's name: Charlotte Bowles
Gender: Male
Where born: Gillingham, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Gillingham
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Shaftesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 59
Piece: 1851
Folio: 358
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
George Bowles 29
Charlotte Bowles 26
Eliza Anne Bowles 5
Edwin Bowles 1

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 27 Aug 2020 10:03

I have found the following Death Announcement in The Hampshire County Advertiser Newspaper, February, 6 1886

On the 4th Inst., In Cook St, Southampton, Charles Stokes, aged 31 years

Cook Street, Southampton being that named on Edwin's Birth Certificate

Gerry

Gerry Report 27 Aug 2020 12:51

Thank you all for your help.

Well done "London Belle". That must have taken a lot of digging