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25 Aug 2020 10:31 |
Starting with Alviegal's 1911 (here/s an alternative source): 1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYC-9CT Schedule Type: 124 Registration Number: RG14 Piece/Folio: 247 [actually, piece = 22995 ] Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/22995/0247/8
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9KT-JMY Schedule Type: 51 [Registration Number: RG13 Piece/Folio: 3555/ 135 ] Page Number: 11
1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7WDM-BN2
I would try to see Elsie's sibs. I could use https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp but searching's a pain as I can only do 5 y and one sex at a time. If the local index has the surname listed, then it's much easier there. See https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd In particular here (thru 1950 for Wigan & Leigh, Blackpool, Burnley, Blackburn)) http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference ATKINSON Alice CROOK 1886q1 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/86/496 ATKINSON Peter CROOKS 1888q1 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/93/495 ATKINSON Richard CROOKS 1890q2 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/101/265 ATKINSON Ellen CROOKS 1895q3 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/120/355 ATKINSON Thomas CROOK 1897q1 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/127/277 ATKINSON Elsie CROOK 1901q4 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/225/437 ATKINSON Gladys CROOKS 1907q4 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/252/171 [I've appended the quarter of rego]
Now lets try for marrs
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference ATKINSON Thomas CROOKS Ellen 1885 Christ Church, Ince Wigan & Leigh C19/3/495 ------------------- ATKINSON Alice EASTHAM Henry 1908 St. Thomas & St. James, Poolstock Wigan & Leigh C36/3/244 ATKINSON Peter WITHINGTON Annie 1919 St. Thomas & St. James, Poolstock Wigan & Leigh C36/4/175 ATKINSON Ellen SHARROCK David 1920 St. Thomas & St. James, Poolstock Wigan & Leigh C36/4/266 ATKINSON Thomas CONNOR Beatrice 1920 St. Thomas & St. James, Poolstock Wigan & Leigh C36/4/261 ATKINSON Elsie RILEY Albert Whalley 1922 St. Thomas & St. James, Poolstock Wigan & Leigh C36/4/345 ATKINSON Gladys FAIRHURST James 1932 St. Thomas & St. James, Poolstock Wigan & Leigh C36/5/156
Gere's Alice 1911 & 1891 1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYC-96C Schedule Type: 93 Registration Number: RG14 Piece/Folio: 185 [actually, piece = 22995 ] Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/22995/0185/1
1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7W4L-Z3Z
Now I knpw the church, I can go to https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ and lookup the transcripts for Christ Church, Ince, and St. James, Poolstock in Wigan, and check the father's name (as a partial check I've got the right marr) Note that Nellie and Elsie are witnesses on the others marr - one wonders if the some connection between Nellie's hubby David Sharrock, and Albert Riley's mum.
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1910 Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference EASTHAM Nellie ATKINSON 1910q2 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/263/106
Now the easiest way to find kids from 1911q3 on is to use https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
The easiest way to find births in Wigan, (plus Ince after Wigan was split in 1936) is to select Wigan, then hold down the ctrl key and select Ince, then search for Atkinson. When the list is shown, hold down the ctrl key and type f (to open the find box), and find the spouse's surnames. I can repeat this, but after an initial search for mothers named Atkinson
Seeing as it's Wigan, I can check cemetery records.
[Date is d.o.burial, not d.o.d.] Wigan Cemetery (at Lower Ince) Records Index Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Cremation Religion Atkinson Thomas 57 Yrs Pottery St 24-Feb 1925 R 192 C of E Atkinson Ellen 60 Yrs Billinge Hospital 15-Jun 1929 Cudworth St R 192 C of E Atkinson Peter 44 yrs 33 Caroline St. 29-Jun 1932 R 192 C of E Atkinson Annie 75 yrs Wigan Infirmary 10-Nov 1972 [ 11,Blake Close,Wor.Mes] R 192 C of E https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/cemetery.php
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Cremation Religion Eastham Henry 56 Yrs Pottery St 12-Feb 1943 D 107 C of E Eastham Harry 32 Yrs Pottery St 31-Jan 1949 D 107 C of E Eastham Alice 76 yrs 23 Pottery St. 05-Jul 1962 D 107 C of E Eastham Nellie 56 yrs Wigan Infirmary 06-Jul 1965 [20, Lakeside Cottages, Worthington ] D 107 C of E https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/cemetery.php
Gidlow Cemetery Index Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Religion Sharrock Ellen 48 yrs 93 Greenough St. 25-Apr 1951 Married 14-527 C of E https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/gidlowcemetery.php
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Religion Atkinson Thomas 64 yrs 1 Church Grove 15-Sep 1961 Miner 15-430 C of E Atkinson Beatrice 74 yrs Wigan Infirmary 02-Sep 1970 Widow 1, Church Grove, Wigan 15-430 C of E https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/gidlowcemetery.php
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Religion Riley Elsie 59 yrs Wigan Infirmary 06-May 1961 Married`8, Moss St. 15-424 C of E Riley Albert Whalley 89 yrs Billinge Hospital 30-Jan 1980 Retired 8, Moss St. Springfield 15-424 C of E Riley Ernest 52 yrs Wigan Infirmary Dec 1983 Married (Crem Rems.) 27871`35, Pagefield St. Wigan 15-424 C of E https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/gidlowcemetery.php
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Religion Fairhurst Gladys 53 yrs Billinge Hospital 21-Mar 1961 Married 13, Bedford St. 15-460 C of E Fairhurst James 65 yrs 90 Rose Ave. Beech Hill 20-Dec 1968 Labourer 13, Bedford St. Whelley 15-460 C of E https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/gidlowcemetery.php
I find no trace of Richard Atkinson after 1911 - perhaps he was killed in WW1 - thousands of Atkinsons were - see CWGC site.
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David
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17 Aug 2020 15:29 |
Did not know thanks
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David
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17 Aug 2020 15:23 |
So Fred died in 1952 and the lady Maggie was owner of the house and my Aunty was a lodger.
Hilda was Peter Atkinson daughter and that now all fits together
Those aeroplanes were made by Fred
I have been confused by all of this for 20 years
Many thanks David Albert Riley
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 15:20 |
You could try looking yourself on freebmd
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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David
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17 Aug 2020 15:12 |
She was alive around 1975 do not know when died but probably after my Grandad died because he would have told me . He died in his back yard having fallen in the snow and could not get up he was 89 and laid there for 2 hours before next door heard him shouting and died in hospital a couple of days later without coming round
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ArgyllGran
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17 Aug 2020 15:07 |
Fred C Unsworth in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Fred C Unsworth Death Age: 54 Birth Date: abt 1898 Registration Date: Jan 1952 [Feb 1952] [Mar 1952] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Blackpool Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10b Page: 617
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 15:05 |
Deaths Sep 1980 (85%) UNSWORTH MARGARET ELIZABETH 10JE1893 BLACKPOOL/F 40 725
You could have found these on freebmd
Deaths Mar 1952 (>99%) UNSWORTH Fred C 54 Blackpool 10b 617
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David
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17 Aug 2020 15:01 |
Hello ErikaH
The owners of the house in 1939 were Fred and Margaret Unsworth.
The other lady living there in 1961 I called aunty Maggie
Was that Margaret Unsworth when did Fred die
If he died before 61 that would solve the puzzle Nellie was lodging there
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 14:56 |
Do you know if she was alive when your grandfather died?
Deaths Mar 1980 (>99%) RILEY ALBERT WHALLEY 22OC1890 WIGAN 39 2586
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ArgyllGran
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17 Aug 2020 14:53 |
??? David Sharrock in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: David Sharrock Death Age: 65 Birth Date: abt 1873 Registration Date: Jan 1938 [Feb 1938] [Mar 1938] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Wigan Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 62
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 14:47 |
???????????? - but probably not as age is wrong for DoB Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%) Atkinson Ellen 70 Blackpool 10b 575
Only by purchasing a copy of the cert will you be able to learn if it's the right record
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ArgyllGran
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17 Aug 2020 14:34 |
Just following on re Hilda:
?? Peter Atkinson in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Peter Atkinson Death Age: 44 Birth Date: abt 1888 Registration Date: Apr 1932 [May 1932] [Jun 1932] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Wigan Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 65
?? Annie Atkinson in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Annie Atkinson Gender: Female Marital status: Widowed Birth Date: 29 Nov 1896 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 33 Caroline Street Residence Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England Occupation: Agent, Clothing Societ[y] Line Number: 23 Schedule Number: 51 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: NSIC Borough: Wigan Registration district: 458/2 Household Members: Name Annie Atkinson [and two closed records ]
One of the closed records may be Hilda, and the other may be her brother Peter born 1927.
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alviegal
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17 Aug 2020 14:31 |
Marriage: 18 Dec 1920 St James, Poolstock, Wigan, Lancashire, England David Sharrock - 48, Foreman Decorator, Widower, 182 Darlington St. E. Ellen Atkinson - 25, Spinster, 25 Pottery St. Groom's Father: James Sharrock, (deceased), Engineer Bride's Father: Thomas Atkinson, Collier Witness: James Sharrock; Elsie Atkinson Married by Banns by: Arthur White Vicar Register: Marriages 1914 - 1927, Page 133, Entry 266 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives
25 Pottery Street is the same address as in the 1911 census.
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David
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17 Aug 2020 13:32 |
She probably died in the 1970/80`s in Blackpool at a nursing home
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 13:16 |
If you do, you'll need the correct details
20 Garton Avenue BLACKPOOL FY4 2JW
1939 occupants
Fred C Unsworth 02 Aug 1897 Male Bus Driver Married 120 1 Margaret (E) Unsworth 10 Jun 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 120 4 John D Unsworth 08 Jun 1933 Male At School Single 120 4 And a few more children
Bear in mind that she may not have owned the house - she could have been a tenant - or a housekeeper. Keep an open mind
When/where did she die?
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David
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17 Aug 2020 13:02 |
Perhaps she was not married may try land register for the house
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 12:58 |
Name: Ellen Atkinson Gender: Female Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1895 Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1920 Marriage Place: Wigan, St James, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Wigan, St James Father: Thomas Atkinson......Collier Spouse: David Sharrock.....aged 48..widower
Address : 25, Pottery Street Witness ELSIE Atkinson
EDITED
NOT the right Ellen
DoB on 1939 register is Aug 1894
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 12:54 |
Name: Ellen Atkinson Birth Date: 9 May 1895 Baptism Date: 20 May 1895 Baptism Place: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Wigan Father: Thomas Atkinson Mother: Ellen Atkinson
ATKINSON Ellen CROOKS 1895 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/120/355
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 12:54 |
1939 8 Mort Street, Wigan, Wigan C.B., Lancashire, England Albert W Riley 22 Oct 1890 Male Motor Bus Driver (Coal) Married 20 1 Elsie Riley 09 Sep 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Married 20 2 Richard Riley 13 Feb 1923 Male Shop Assistant (Wires) Single 20 3 Ernest Riley 20 Aug 1931 Male At School Single 20 4
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David
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17 Aug 2020 12:49 |
You may be right Hilda may have been Peter`s daughter and she may gone on a day trip to Blackpool and had her picture taken by prom photographer
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