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Thanks ever so much for this!

your john 1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

11, Market Place, Rugby, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Tongue Head Married Male 36 1815 Shoemaker Employing 5 Men Kneesall, Nottinghamshire, England
Mary Tongue Wife Married Female 36 1815 Shoemakers Wife Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Alfred Tongue Son - Male 8 1843 Son Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Joseph Tongue Son - Male 3 1848 Son Rugby, Warwickshire, England
John Bailey Aprentice Unmarried Male 19 1832 Apprentice To Bootmaker Preston, Northamptonshire, England
Jabez Faulkner Aprentice Unmarried Male 15 1836 Apprentice To Bootmaker Northamptonshire, England
Henry Faulkner Niece Unmarried Male 14 1837 Visitor Northamptonshire, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

95, East Street, Holy Trinity St Peters District, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Bailey Head Married Male 29 1832 Boot & Shoe Maker Preston, Northamptonshire, England
Ann Bailey Wife Married Female 25 1836 Milliner & Dressmaker Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Alcester Street, Aston, Warwickshire, En

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Bailey Head - Male 39 1832 - Northamptonshire, England
Ann Bailey Wife - Female 35 1836 - Northamptonshire, England
Annie Bailey Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Northamptonshire, England
Percy Bailey Son - Male 0 1871 - Warwickshire, England
Charles Smith Boarder - Male 19 1852 - Northumberland, England

Jane is on the 1841 census with her brother john
but there are no further records for as far as i can see for in that name

Phew, moving on! I'll let people reading this thread draw their own conclusions rather than getting into the semantics of keyboard warriors.

Maddie I appreciate your help but I think it is probably the wrong one, your thoughts please? Given Erica's trolling, I don't think we should take it as read that Charlotte and Harriet are even the same person. Really takes a narcissistic piece of work to mess around with people's family (she appeared so adamant that it was "obviously" a transcription error! - The census record concerned is hardly legible.).

Thanks.

Haven’t the foggiest idea which John Bailey you’re referring to

Goodbye

Not the same John Bailey.... Would you agree?

Thanks.

What is your point?

And the man who married Jane Ladbrook was JOHN Bailey

Every single one of the 10 family trees have concluded that this Thomas (who married Jane Ladbrook)'s parents were actually Elizabeth Drake and Thomas Bailey as opposed to Charlotte Hardiman and John Bailey. Jane Ladbrook and Thomas emigrated to Canada.

Per the 1881 census, it's a different set of children -:

John Bailey 54
Jane Bailey 33
Robert Bailey 18
Jane Bailey 14
Ada Bailey 12
Frederick Bailey 10
Albert Ernest Bailey 8
Charles Bailey 6
Arthur Archibald Bailey 4
Robert Leonard Bailey 2
Percy Edward Bailey
Jane Kendrick 66
Elizabeth Walton 16
Joseph Benjamin Gurney 18

Also, having a family in Rugby but also settling in Northampton seems a bit far fetched?

To find what happened to Jane, look for death or marriage on freebmd

1841 census does not record relationships - please make a note of this fact

Erika - review? I was just checking it out to see that it added up for myself as I had initially added these children and something had made me doubt it so I had deleted them. I was going to come back on it but I wanted to add the children and then make sure the records added up for the children - I take your point that the census is barely legible and therefore that the Transcriber has misinterpreted it but I also questionned it on the basis that a number of the children are not specified as Son or daughter in the census that you have pointed to whereas a number of them are. I wondered if they took some nieces or nephews in. You have one birth shortly before Charlotte was 50. I appreciate these days that that is more likely to go well but in Victorian times I would have thought that would have lessened the possibility significantly.

Thanks.

Hi Maddie, that would not be the John but thanks - This John was born to Charlotte and John but thank you for the other information there.

Thanks Erika - OK, so that's John's story, but what happened to Jane (daughter) that is listed in the census that you referred to - that's how this question come about?

Thanks.

Name: John Bailey
Birth Date: 20 Sep 1826
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Thomas Bailey
Mother: Elizabeth Bailey
Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1829
Baptism Place: Lutterworth, Leicestershire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 1304: Lutterworth (Independent), 1791-1832

william thomas from census

WILLIAM THOMAS
Last name BAILEY
Birth year 1850
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Ladbrook
District Rugby

Name: Jane Ladbrooke
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Marriage Date: 21 Apr 1850
Marriage Place: Rugby, Warwick, England
Father: William Ladbrooke
Spouse: John Bailey
FHL Film Number: 350673
Reference ID: p164 n328

Name: Jane Ladbrook
Baptism Date: 3 Oct 1830
Baptism Place: Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Parish: Rugby
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Father: William Ladbrook
Mother: Elizabeth Ladbrook

Name: Jane Bailey
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: Rugby
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Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d

1841

Name: Jane Ladbrook
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Rugby
Hundred: Knightlow (Rugby Division)
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district: Rugby
Sub-registration district: Rugby
Neighbors:
Piece: 1137
Book: 18
Folio: 43
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
William Ladbrook 45
Elizabeth Ladbrook 45
Ann Ladbrook 19
Harriet Ladbrook 15
Jane Ladbrook 11
Mary Ladbrook 7
Emma Ladbrook 6
Eliza Ladbrook 4
Alfred Ladbrook 2

I've posted the birth for the child on the 1851 census which shows the mother's maiden name!!


And here's the MARRIAGE

Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
Bailey John Rugby 16 573
Ludbrook Jane Rugby 16 573

Because, Erika, that was the census record that you emphasised in your other thread reply as Harriot being a typo of Charlotte. With this being so, you will note, from this 1841 census record that you referred to that Thomas is listed and so is William (Willer):

John Bailey 38
Charlotte Bailey 40
Betsy Bailey 17
Ann Bailey 14
Jane Bailey 11
John Bailey 9
Willer Bailey 8
Sarah Bailey 6
Thos Bailey 4 <-----------
Rebecca Bailey 3
Charles Bailey 1
Harriet Bailey 2 Mo
Richd Chmaberlain 15

Although Eliza was already married by this point and does not feature in the 1841 census (they are from Preston Capes where the marriage between John and Charlotte was per Preston Capes Geniology and my own research that has verified it), Having William Thomas and then William (see "Willer" above) seems a step too far wouldn't you say?

"You know how to look up info" - sure, that's precisely why i'm questioning this as the only other record that **could** fit is Jane in Coventry, whose Mother was Mary and not Charlotte. Jane was born in Preston Capes, there is a further record for her still living in Northamptonshire in "Eye" in the 1851 census. There is also a bunch of names within your census record without a specification of whether they are the children or not (with other listed as the Son or Daughter respectively and the later ones seem a little late in life for Charlotte).

WHY did you 'review' my post which resolved your query on the following thread.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1380687

You didn't have the courtesy to acknowledge the info

BAILEY, WILLIAM THOMAS LADBROOK
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 16 Page 517

The name Bailey is VERY common.............................

WHY do you think that the MARRIED woman on the census had the maiden name Bailey?

Have you done anything about getting facts?

Good Morning,

Jane Bailey
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Bailey
Gender: Female
Where born: Rugby
Civil Parish: Rugby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
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Town: Rugby
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Rugby
Sub-registration district: Rugby
ED, institution, or vessel: 15d
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 2069
Folio: 294
Page Number: 37


Name Age
John Bailey 24
Jane Bailey 20
Wm Thos Bailey 5 Mo

Am I to assume that This is the Jane Bailey born to Charlotte Hardiman and John Bailey please? If so, she also had a brother John and does this mean that she married her brother?

Many thanks.

Many thanks.