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Thanks Rootgatherer

I will discuss all you have told me in the morning, she will be pleased hear your theory. She has always thought maybe they werent married as there were never any photos. My friend remembers her grandfather George Brennen passing away as it was a few months after her mother Doris Anne Glen passed, and she recalls that it was probably her Uncle Peter who registered his death. Margarets death registration would need the certificate. I dont think she has a birth certificate for her mother Doris.

Will keep you informed. Thanks again for your help may need your help again.

Alana

Does your friend have Doris's birth certificate? Not sure about English certificates but in Scotland it would give all the names the mother had been known by.

I do think the Margaret born in Downpatrick is your Margaret and she was unable to marry George because she was married to James Gabbey.

Please let us know how your friend gets on.

It may be worth buying Margaret and George's death certificates to see who the informant is.

Thanks again rootgatherer and argyllgran for the work you have done. My friend has an address for her Aunt Maureen wife of her deceased maternal uncle Peter. So she is going to write to her asking her if she has any knowledge on his mother and father.
Fingers crossed she can help. If not like you say we will have to send for certificates to eliminate the possibilities. Nothing is easy but the challenge is addictive for us lovers of family research.
Keep well
Alana

Peter's wife is on the 2020 ER. Will send address by PM

It looks like a good possibility, RG.

There's no Neill/McComb marriage in England/Wales/Scotland to account for them.

Alana -
you'd have to buy the birth cert of at least Peter, to be sure if it's the right one or not.

This may be a bit far fetched but it's my gut feeling anyway.

I posted a possible birth for Margaret in Downpatrick. Her mother's maiden name was McComb.

I also posted a marriage for that Margaret so IF she is your lady, she wasn't free to marry George so it is possible that her children with George were registered in her maiden surname using her mother's maiden surname as her own for the sake of appearances. I think the birth below is possibly your Peter. The two below that may be the other two that you were unsure about but with mmn mis recorded.

name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Mar 1939 (>99%)
Neill Peter McComb I.Wight 2b 898
Births Mar 1940 (>99%)
NEILL Robin McComt I. Wight 2b 1647
Births Jun 1943 (>99%)
Neill Maureen McCourt I.Wight 2b 906


There is a record on findagrave of the first husband of Margaret Neill but with a different mother for his children so he may have remarried, but n Ireland after Margaret's death.

Opinions please on this theory from some of the other helpers.

Alana -

Peter's death registration (2015) on the GRO website, which Erika posted, shows his YOB as 1938.

But, as everyone has found, there's no sign of a birth record.

Marriages Jun 1935 (>99%)
Brennen Percival J Cook Chichester 2b 1060
Cook Florence M M Brennen Chichester 2b 1060

George's parents in 1939


4 Brookside Terrace, Gunville, Newport, Newport M.B., Isle of Wight, England
George Brennon 08 Jul 1878 Male Stoker Hmp Cangr Hill (Heavy Worker) Married 122 1
Ellen Brennon 09 Feb 1879 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 122 2

TWO closed records

1911 for George


Spring Cottage Gunviile Road Carisbrooke, Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight & Hampshire, England
George Brennen Head Married Male 32 1879 General Labourer Newport I of W
Nellie Brennen Wife Married Female 32 1879 - Newport I of W
Amelia Brennen Daughter - Female 7 1904 School Carisbrook I of W
George Brennen Son - Male 5 1906 School Carisbrook I of W
Kathleen Brennen Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Carisbrook I of W
Fredrick Brennen Son - Male 2 1909 - Carisbrook I of W
Percival Brennen Son - Male 1 1910 - Carisbrook I of W

That's his death - not his birth

However, there is a 'closed' record on the 1939 register, which wasn't pointed out when the info was posted, which could be him.

Hi Erika

How did you find that DOB for Peter?

Alana

BRENNEN, PETER 1938
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2015 in Isle Of Wight (556-1A) Entry Number 512954866

First name(s) PETER
Last name BRENNEN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1965
PETER BRENNEN married
Maureen A Toogood

Thank you all for your help yesterday. This is a very puzzling one. Very weird that we can find no trace of the marriage of Margaret and George. Even stranger no birth of Peter Brennen who we know married lived and died in Ryde Isle of Wight.
I will keep trying but told my friend it looks a bit of an impossible case. Very disappointing hate being beaten.
Thank you all again

Alana

NO marriage in England/Wales for George H Brennen, as previously stated

Nor is there one on the Irish BMD site

Perhaps either Margaret or George wasn't free to marry.

Unless a marriage to Brennen can be found, no info can be proved

That Margaret married in 1921

Party 1 Name James GABBEY
Party 2 Name Margaret NEILL
Date of Event 27 December 1921
Group Registration ID 1285197
SR District/Reg Area Downpatrick

Census Years1911DownKillinchyBallymorranResidents of a house
Residents of a house 1 in Ballymorran (Killinchy, Down)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living

Neill Thomas 66 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Farmer Read and write - Married - - - -
Neill Margaret 65 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down - Read only - Married - 42 8 7
Neill Robert James 13 Male Grand Son Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Neill Jennie 15 Female Grand Daughter Presbyterian Co Down - Read and write - Single - - - -