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It's slightly confusing because Thomas and Sarah's children William and Myra Scott have been listed with mms Trueman, rather than Barker.

Myra's birth posted by GG on 16 July at 16:12.

William's birth:

SCOTT, WILL mms TRUEMAN
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 602

Harriet's maiden name was Scott.

Her mother was Sarah Barker, who married John Trueman, then was later with Thomas Scott, but apparently not married to him.

Posting Harriet's birth again:

SCOTT, HARRIET mms BARKER
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 518

sorry I'm getting confused i thought that her maiden name was Scott

You're welcome, Theresa.


Sarah's parents' marriage :

John Barker
England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1537-1918
Name: John Barker
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 01 May 1837
Event Place: Alfreton, Alfreton, Derbyshire, England
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Mary Higginbottom
Spouse's Gender: Female



Sarah with father and siblings in 1851:

Sarah Barker
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Sarah Barker
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Claycross, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ashover
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County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 2147
Folio: 29
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Arin Brockson 80
Mary Brockson 57
John Barker 43 - widower, lodger, "cole miner", Summer Coats
Sarah Barker 13
Joseph Barker 10
Elizabeth Barker 8


Her mother's death ????

BARKER, MARY 30
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 19 Page 307



Mary Barker
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1991
Name: Mary Barker
Age: 31
Birth Year: 1814
Burial Date: 8 Dec 1845
Burial Place: North Wingfield, Derbyshire, England
Abode: Woodthorpe



Sarah's sister's marriage:

Elizabeth Barker
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Elizabeth Barker
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Birth Date: 1843
Marriage Date: 14 Sep 1862
Marriage Place: North Wingfield, Derbyshire, England
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Father: John Barker
Spouse: Thomas Spencer , miner

What can I say to all you kind people trying to help me besides sorry I jumped to the wrong conclusion when I saw that a Harriett Hickling married a Thomas Hatton near to where my grandfather was born I really do appreciate being pointed in the right direction. Regards Theresa

FMP version of the 1861 posted by AG

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
South Wingfield, Belper, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sophia Human Head Widow Female 55 1806 Framework Knitter Cotton -
John Human Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 Coal Miner -
Sarah Human Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1838 Domestic Servant Derby, England
Sophia Human's Census Details

Sophia and John b South Wingfield, Sarah - Green Hill Lane
Details taken from the original census record.

Harriet Scott
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Harriet Scott
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1867
Baptism Place: Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
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Father: Thomas Scott
Mother: Sarah Scott

From image - d/o Thomas and Sarah Scott who lived at Clay Cross. Thomas a Collier

???

BARKER, SARAH mms HICKINBOTTOM
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in BELPER UNION Volume 19 Page 318

John Trueman
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Trueman
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Belper
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 266


John's burial:

John Truman
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1991
Name: John Truman
Age: 24
Birth Year: 1838
Burial Date: 30 Apr 1862
Burial Place: South Wingfield, Derbyshire, England



Possibly the same man with some mistranscription of dates??

John Trueman
in the Web: UK, Coal Mining Accidents and Deaths Index, 1878-1935
Name: John Trueman
Death Age: 24
Event Type: Death
Birth Year: abt 1838
Death Date: 1 May 1862
Death Place: Belper, Derby, England
Occupation: Miner
Colliery: Whitemoor
Owner: John Knowles
Notes: Falling part way down the shaft

1861 mistranscribed on Ancestry:

John Furman
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John Furman
[John Truman]
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sophia Furman
Gender: Male
Where born: South Wingfield, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: South Wingfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Ripley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 2513
Folio: 93
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Sophia Furman 55
John Furman 23
Sarah Furman 23 - daughter-in-law, Green Hill Lane

Re the Peter Scott birth in 1870 -

???

TRUMAN, MARY mms BARKER
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 468

And Harriet Scott (mms Barker) already posted.


???
Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Barker Sarah Belper 7b 764
Truman John Belper 7b 764


Sarah Barker
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Sarah Barker
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1837
Marriage Date: 1 Dec 1858
Marriage Place: Belper, Derbyshire, England
Father: John Barker
Spouse: John Truman [ Father: Truman Truman ]
FHL Film Number: 2082647
Reference ID: item 7 p 20


but another version:

Sarah Barker
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Sarah Barker
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1837
Marriage Date: 1 Dec 1858
Marriage Place: Belper, Christ Church, Derbyshire, England
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Father: John Barker, miner
Spouse: John Truman, miner [ Father: RICHARD Truman , nail maker ]

FMP have messed up the transcript -

Thomas born Somercotes, Derbys and Sarah born Green Hill Lane, Derbys

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Black Horse YD, Eyre Street, Claylane Aka Claycross, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Scott Head Married Male 49 1832 General Labourer Disley, Cheshire, England
Sarah Scott Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Disley, Cheshire, England
Peter Scott Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
William Scott Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Myra Scott Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England

???

Sarah said to be a wIdow on original

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hays Yard, Clay Cross, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sarah Trueman Head - Female 35 1836 - Derbyshire, England
Mary Trueman Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Derbyshire, England
Harriett Trueman Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Derbyshire, England
Peter Trueman Son - Male 0 1871 - Derbyshire, England

????
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Claylane or Claycross, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Scott Head Married Male 59 1832 Coal Miner Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
Sarah Scott Wife Married Female 54 1837 - Somercotes, Derbyshire, England
Peter Scott Son Single Male 20 1871 Coal Miner Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
William Scott Son Single Male 16 1875 Coal Miner Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Myra Scott Daughter Single Female 14 1877 - Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SCOTT, MYRA TRUEMAN
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 609

BUT ??

SCOTT, PETER BALL BARKER
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 541

???

SCOTT, HARRIET mms BARKER
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 518


EDIT:

I think the birth above is the right one, but the couple below are NOT her parents, i my opinion
- see later posts. Her mother was Sarah Barker, then Trueman, then Scott (unmarried).



Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%)
Barken Jane Basford 7b 152
Barker Jane Basford 7b 152
Scott Thomas Basford 7b 152


EDIT:

Hmmm - maybe not, unless Thomas had radically changed his occupation by the time Harriet married. He's a collier in 1856:

Thomas Scott
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Thomas Scott (collier)
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1830
Marriage Date: 23 Mar 1856
Marriage Place: Heanor, Derbyshire, England
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Father: George Scott (collier)
Spouse: Jane Barker ( Father: Joseph Barker, collier)

Malyon, I posted a census for the 1881 marriage, showing it was not the couple that Theresa was looking for.

The woman named Hickling is a total red herring and has no connection whatsoever to the family being researched

deleted my post, in view of yours, AG

1881 posted at the same time as your last post, Erika.

so the one i posted marriage 1881 was a widow and must be the one born 1835