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CHARLIE Bertram TYLER b 09021881 in STOURPORT

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Peter

Peter Report 16 Jul 2020 11:18

I have been trying to find the eventual fate of my late father’s first cousin, as above, since 2008, the son of John Henry Tyler (1846-1887) & Mary Ann WESTBURY (1852-1916). He appears in both the 1881&1891censuses living with his family in Kidderminster, Worcs aged 0 & 10yo and lodging in Mott St, Birmingham, aged 20 but was unable to find him in the 1911 census. I eventually managed to contact the granddaughter of his sister (Ida Violet Tyler) some 10 years ago and was told that he had emigrated to either South Africa or Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) in the beginning of the last century but that they didn’t have any other details.
Just recently, I found the online WikiTree site and on it, I found the details of a CHARLES Bertram Tyler which referred to the person I have been trying to trace for so many years.(His birth was registered as CHARLIE not Charles). There are some incomplete/incorrect records of the lady he is shown as being married to; her name being FLORENCE ETHEL DYKE whose birth was registered in Birmingham in 1887.
She and her family are shown in both the 1891 & 1901 censuses but not in the 1911 census so I can only presume she and her family also emigrated prior to the 1911 census.
The record in WikiTree gives no details of Charlie Tyler’s marriage to Florence Dyke but shows that they had 2 daughters, Marion Tyler born in ca 1910, whereabouts unknown, & died in ca1970 & Ethel Violet Tyler born in Johannesburg, RSA on 02/12/1918 & died in ca 2003 in Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
I have tried to make contact with the person who inserted the details in WikiTree some weeks ago but without success!
I would be extremely grateful for any practical advice to enable me to obtain the details I have been searching for since 2008.
Best regards
Peter Westbury
MOSS, southern Norway

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jul 2020 11:29

Maybe


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Name: Charles Bertram Tyler
Death Year: 1943
Death Country: South Africa
Title: Transvaal Estates Death Index (Master of the Supreme Court, Pretoria)
Source: National Archives, Pretoria
Reference Number: 3433/43

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jul 2020 11:32

Marian Beatrice Tyler
1912–1976
BIRTH 14 JUNE 1912 • Jeppestown, Johannesburge, South Africa
DEATH 17 MAY 1976 • Salisbury, Rhodesia

Married

Vivian Douglas Martin Snell 1937


Vivian Douglas Martin Snell
1912–1970
BIRTH 13 MARCH 1912 • Rietfontein, Pretoria, South Africa
DEATH 4TH SEPT 1970 • Salisbury, Rhodesia

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jul 2020 11:33

Same tree has

Florence Ethel Dyke
–1977
BIRTH Unknown
DEATH 1977 • Salisbury, Rhodesia

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jul 2020 11:41

Try contacting the tree holder on ancestry

Snell/Tyler Family Tree

Florence Ethel Dyke
BIRTHMar 1887 B'gham, Warwickshire, England
DEATH1977 Salisbury, Rhodesia
sources (4) records (3)
Family Info
Father George Thomas Dyke (1874-)
Mother Beatrice Marian Jones (1868-)
Spouse Charles Bertram Tyler (1858-1942)
Children

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Jul 2020 11:46

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C B
Last name Tyler
Title MR
Gender Male
Marital status M
Occupation MERCHANT
Departure year 1912
Departure day 27
Departure month 1
Departure port Southampton
Destination port Durban (Port Natal)
Destination DURBAN (PORT NATAL)
Country South Africa
Destination country South Africa
Ship name Dover Castle
Ship official number 118409
Ship master's first name T
Ship master's last name CLINOCK
Shipping line THE UNION-CASTLE MAIL STEAMSHIP CO LTD
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship square feet 9318
Ship registered tonnage 5221
Number of passengers 238

Name: Charles Bertram Tyler
Death Year: 1943
Death Country: South Africa
Title: Transvaal Estates Death Index (Master of the Supreme Court, Pretoria)
Source: National Archives, Pretoria
Reference Number: 3433/43

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Jul 2020 12:01

a tree on ancestry has this but no documentation


Ethel Violet Tyler
1918–2011
Birth 2 DEC 1918 • Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Death NOV 2011 • Bulawayo, Matabeleland North, Zimbabwe

Birth
2 Dec 1918 • Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa

1918

(AGE)
Birth of Daughter Maureen Ethel Fenn(1940–2013)
12 Aug 1940 • Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa

1940

21
Death of Husband Geoffrey Primo Fenn(1913–1981)
15 May 1981 • Harare, Mashonaland East, Zimbabwe

1981

62
Death
Nov 2011 • Bulawayo, Matabeleland North, Zimbabwe


Geoffrey Primo Fenn
1913–1981
Birth 17 MAY 1913
Death 15 MAY 1981 • Harare, Mashonaland East, Zimbabwe


Maureen Ethel Fenn
1940–2013
Birth 12 AUG 1940 • Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Death 27 JUN 2013 • Harare, Mashonaland East, Zimbabwe

Peter

Peter Report 16 Jul 2020 12:21

To Shirley and Maddie!
I am extremely grateful for the invaluable information you have provided for me in such a short time; thank you so very much indeed. I will ‘pencil’ in the details you have so kindly given me because, by all accounts, I’ve read it is now quite difficult to obtain certificates for hard evidence from the 2 countries concerned.
From what you have written, perhaps it would have been wiser to have subscribed to Ancestry!
Again Ladies, my grateful thanks for taking the time to respond to my request.
Kindest regards
Peter

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jul 2020 13:06

you are very welcome and thanks for your kind response

its a pleasure to help when people are so appreciative and polite :-)