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feel like I am clutching at straws but will order the certificate if only to eliminate it
thanks for looking again

This will be that death:

Deaths Sep 1912 (>99%)
READ Albert E 38 Strand 1b 545

It might be the right man, if the informant didn't know his exact YOB.
But middle initial E, not G.


http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Strand/

have already had a great deal of support from ArgyllGran and Mary ...
still looking for the death of Albert Read born 17.6.1872 Greenwich London.
Have found an entry for Sheffield Street Receiving Workhouse and Casual Wards which lists an Albert Read admitted on 30.7.1912, died 15.8.1912. there is no further information and was wondering if his date of birth/kin would have been kept? have checked various sites for death registration but can`t find one. Did they have to produce a death certificate in the workhouses?
Thanks

Good!
Thanks for letting us know, Josephine.

Death certificate for Minnie arrived
1st March 1942 20 South Close Dagenham
Minnie Eugenie Clark age 73
informant... F. Pegram daughter 20 South Close Dagenham
information confirms what Mary found on 1939 Census
Minnie living with daughter Florrie Pegram

Arthur Cubbitt lane married Hannah Read 26/6/1892

Hannah born 20/7/1870 to Charles Read brother to Sarah Read (Arthur's mum)and Amelia Rebecca Morris/Coulson.

Maryb

both BRILLIANT many thanks for your continued interest!

Arthur Lane
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Arthur Lane
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John F. Lane
Mother: Sarah Lane
Gender: Male
Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 12 Burdett St.
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 496
Folio: 45
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
John F. Lane 47
Sarah Lane 46
Ellen Lane 16
Horace Lane 16
Arthur Lane 11 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sidney Lane 8 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Lane 5 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Eliz. Turner 79


So the brother George is likely to be the witness at William Richard's marriage.

Snap, Mary!

Sarah Read was Albert Read's sister.

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Lane John Thomas St Giles 1b 558
Read Sarah St Giles 1b 558


Sarah Read
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Sarah Read
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars)
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Saffron Hill
Neighbors:
Piece: 671
Book: 5
Folio: 4
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Read 25
Hannah Read 21
Sarah Read 6
Charles Read 1

John Thomas lane born Kent 1834 parents John Potter lane and Rachel Cubbitt married Sarah Read born 1835 died 1885?? married 1858 her parents were Charles and Hannah nee Neeve

Maryb

As William Richard's marriage cert states that Albert is deceased, and William Clark is a witness, that seems to show that Albert and William are not the same person.

William is apparently just Minnie's new partner, and she's taken his name, though they don't seem to have married.

Possible siblings ??

LANE, GEORGE EDWARD mms READ
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 595

LANE, SYDNEY CHARLES mms READ
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 01C Page 594

?? Birth of Arthur:

LANE, ARTHUR CUBITT mms READ
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 01C Page 586

Have been looking at the marriage certificate of William Richard and Edna Winifred again states father Albert Read deceased
In the presence of....is it a coincidence that it names William Clark, Florence Clark, Minnie Clark, George Lane
It may link with what Mary found? parents changing names?
on the 1891 census that was found for George Read it lists Arthur Lane nephew age 21
William and Minnie .....
I think Florence would have been 28 so it is possible she was there
George lane father of Arthur Lane?

Albert's brother Nelson married an Alice - perhaps it's her:

Nelson Read
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Nelson Read
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1869
Marriage Date: 15 Nov 1891
Marriage Place: St James the Great, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: George Read
Spouse: Alice Louisa Chivers
Register Type: Parish Register

But Alice can't be the aunt in 1897.

Her birth:
READ, ALICE EMILY mms OLIVER
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 131


Her death:

Alice Emily Read
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alice Emily Read
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 12
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 39


Perhaps the aunt is the wife of one of the brothers.

Ah, so they were!

George Read
in the 1891 England Census
Name: George Read
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1848
Spouse: Amy Read
Child: Alice Read
Harriet Read
Florence Read
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
Residence Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: West Ham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 45
Neighbors:
Piece: 1327
Folio: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
George Read 43
Amy Read 41
Alice Read 12
Harriet Read 8
Florence Read 4
Arthur Lane 21 - nephew

1891 14 Ship Street West Ham

George Read
Amy Read
Alice Read + others this would be the A Read aunt on Susan Emily's birth cert

These were Alberts mum and dad and siblings

George Read 1847 died 17/12/1896 at 14,Ship Street
Amy 1851 died 15/12/1896 at 14,Ship Street.
Info off Ancestry tree.

Maryb

OK - that's quite standard - nothing to do with the death.

informant says A Read and underneath aunt present at birth