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The suggestion is - as I see it - that the child born in 1897 was named after her mother's sister

Something to explore..................

It looks as though William (the seaman per Minnie's marriage cert, and stoker on some sort of ship per 1871 census) and Maria Randall may have been your Minnie's parents.

Susan Emily 1862 would therefore have been Minnie's sister, and William Richard Paul 1859 would have been her brother.

Both those names are also names of Minnie's children - Susan Emily 1897 and William Richard 1894.

We can't find the birth record for Susan 1862's sister Minnie.

Maria and son William Richard Paul in 1861:

W R Paul Randall
in the 1861 England Census
Name: W R Paul Randall
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Maria Randall
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 323
Folio: 99
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Randall 30 - Cornwall, married
W R Paul Randall 1
Ann Kell 56 - visitor

Mary has mentioned Maria and William's marriage, but here's the record with fathers' names:

Maria Rowe
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Maria Rowe
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Jan 1849
Marriage Place: St Alphege, Greenwich, Greenwich, England
Father: Richard Rowe, mariner
Spouse: William Randall, mariner
Register Type: Parish Register

William's father: Paul Randall, mariner.

Witnesses: Matilda Randall and Mary Harris (her mark)

apologies for not making any reply yet but am reading all of this and trying to write it all down in some form of tree to help understand it all
thanks for all your hard work

William in 1851 ??? Maria not with him


Wm Randall
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Wm Randall
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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Town: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 1587
Folio: 53
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Matilda Randall 17
Wm Randall 23 - [something] dockyard, married
Oratio Reed 11 - nephew
Elizabeth Turell 30 - sister
Ann Perry 29 - servant


Could possibly be William listed twice in 1871 - once with Maria and children as already posted, and again here:

William Randall
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Randall
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: 1828
Relation: Fireman [ same thing as a stoker, I think ]
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich Kent England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Off Shoeburyness
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Rochford
Sub-registration district: Great Wakering
ED, institution, or vessel: Stork
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1670
Folio: 137

Married

Maria with her parents in 1851:

Maria Randal
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Maria Randal
[Maria Rowe]
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Reihard Rowe
Mother's name: Maria Rowe
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, London, England
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 204
Piece: 1587
Folio: 125
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Reihard Rowe 61 - Cornwall
Maria Rowe 45 - Holborn
Maria Randal 21 - married "wife of seaman RN "
Maria Randal 1

The daughter's birth:

RANDALL, MARIA MATILDA mms ROWE
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 05 Page 264

and her death:

RANDELL, MARIA MATILDA 4
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 907

Another child:

RANDALL, ARTHUR LEWIS mms ROWE
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 286


Death:

RANDALL, ARTHUR 0
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 194

Once again, thank you for all your help ,I think I have just about got my head around it all

An 1870 mention of a ship (gunboat) called "Stork":

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/8021/page/8/data.pdf

And here (1855 - 84):

https://www.pdavis.nl/MidVicShips.php?page=11

what is the connection please?

William?

William may have been on the "Stork" in 1871 - census posted earlier.

He may have been listed twice - once on the ship, and again with Maria and the children - also posted earlier.

Thank you, I missed the name Stork!

I think I have found the missiing MINNIE bear with me

1901 34,poplar street canning town West ham
William Clark 1868 Poplar general labourer
meriam 1869 poplar
Albert 7 Poplar
William 6 poplar
Florence 1 poplar

1911 22,Romford St married 19 years 4 children all alive
William Clark 43 born Whitechapel
MINNIE Clark 45 Margate kent
Albert 17 Plumstead
William 15 Plumstead GLASS BLOWERS Apprentice
Florrie 11 Canning Town
John 1905 barking essex

Births of Florence Clark West ham J qtr 1900 V04a P156 mum nee RANDLE
John Clark M qtr 1905 Romford V04a P 625 mum nee RANDLE

Florence clark married Richard Pigram in dagenham essex 23/12/1922
1939 20,South close Dagenham
Florence Pegram 1/4/1900 widow
Albert E Pegram 23/3/1924
MINNIE E CLARK widow born 24/5/1870

Minnie Eugenie Clark born about 1869 buried 7/3/1942 Dagenham



Maryb

Well done, Mary! Looks good!

For our reference:

William Clark
in the 1911 England Census
Name: William Clark
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: White Chapel E, London, England
Civil Parish: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 22 Romford Street, Barking, Sx
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Dock Labourer
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Barking Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 9932
Household Members:
Name Age
William Clark 43
Minnie Clark 45 - Margate
Albert Clark 17 - Plumstead, rubber worker
William Clark 15 - Plumstead, glass blower's apprentice, glass bottle works
Florrie Clark 11 - Canning Town
John Clark 6 - Barking
(and 2 boarders)


William Clark
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William Clark
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Merriam Clark
Birth Place: Poplar, London, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors:
Piece: 1582
Folio: 100
Page Number: 48
Household schedule number: 305
Household Members:
Name Age
William Clark 33
Merriam Clark 32 - Poplar
Albert Clark 7
William Clark 6
Florence Clark 1

Minnie's death, as mentioned by Mary, just in case Josephine fancies buying yet another cert!

Minnie E Clark
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Minnie E Clark
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: abt 1869
Registration Date: Jan 1942
[Feb 1942]
[Mar 1942]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 763


And the burial Mary found:

Minnie Eugenie Clark
in the Essex, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1994
Name: Minnie Eugenie Clark
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: abt 1869
Death Date: abt 1942
Burial Date: 7 Mar 1942
Burial Place: Essex, England
Source Description: Burial Register; Service of Church: Registers of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials; Incumbent; Dagenham, St Peter and St Paul; Parish Records;1941-1959


But no marriage and still no birth.

Do you think William Clark is actually Albert Read

If you look at the way Albert Read signed his name on marriage cert and the way William Clark wrote Albert on 1911 census they do look very similar.

Maryb.

Hmmm - tempting.
But I think it's probably just the way children in that area were taught to write at that time.

He's not much of a speller - "singel" and "dauter".

Minnie certainly had elusive husbands. Or maybe just husbands with common names.


Ancestry suggests this is William in 1891 - but goodness knows if it is or not:

William Clark
in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Clark
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1868
Birth Place: Limehouse, London, England
Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriels
Residence Place: London City, Bromley St Leonard, London, England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bromley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 25
Neighbors:
Piece: 323
Folio: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
Francies H Chapman 34
Elizabeth Chapman 33
Francies Chapman 10
Bella Chapman 8
Elizabeth Chapman 4
James Chapman 2
William Clark 23 - dock labourer

Birth date for Minnie !!!! (Though 1939 Register isn't always accurate.)

Minnie E Clark
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Minnie E Clark
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widow
Birth Date: 24 May 1870 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 20 South Close
Residence Place: Dagenham, Essex, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 2
Schedule Number: 154
Sub Schedule Number: 5
Enumeration District: CCKI
Borough: Dagenham
Registration district: 191/1
Household Members:
Name
Florence Pegram
Albert R Pegram
This record is officially closed.
Audrey M Pegram
Minnie E Clark