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24 Jul 2020 13:21 |
The death you mentioned - from the GRO site - with age
STOKES, JOSEPH 67 GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 207
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Mary
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24 Jul 2020 15:12 |
tree on ancestry has Maria married to James Clarke and in 1846 married to William Wicks I have checked all the census records and it seems to add up to her marrying William wicks after the death of James Clark
1841 Frederick Street James Clarke ginger beer manufacturer
1851 42 Frederick Street Regents Park St Pancras William Wicks 46 born Putney Ginger beer manufacturer Maria 47 Kent William H wicks 10 John Clarks son in law 14 born Marylebone.
1861 Regents Park John e Gibson head of house Maria wicks 1805 Kent monthly nurse
1871 St Pancras regent District 19 Maria Wicks visitor born Kent age 66 a widow
1881 113 Stanhope Street Regents Park Maria wicks 75 Monthley Nurse born Dartford Kent.
marriage for William Wicks and Maria Clark A/M/J 1846 kent V5 P506
James Clarke age 41 of Frederick Street buried in Holborn 17/11/1844
Maria Wicks died St Pancras 1884 V1b P6 buried in Camden 28/7/1884 age 83
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ArgyllGran
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24 Jul 2020 21:53 |
Random thoughts re Mary's find -
The 1841 census with James Clarke, ginger beer maker, was posted by Alviegal on page 1 (9 July, 19:58 ). It shows James and Maria with a daughter Eliza, aged 18 months, per image.
The only female Clark(e)/Everson birth on GRO 1839+/-2 is this one, which might be Eliza (Already posted by Alviegal, but worth repeating here):
CLARKE, - EVERSON GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01 Page 138
There's also a 12-year-old Mary Clarke with them in 1841.
??? Maria Clarke in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Maria Clarke Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 11 Oct 1829 Baptism Place: St Marylebone, Westminster, England Father: James Clarke Mother: Maria Clarke Register Type: Parish Registers
But the Mary in 1851 might not be their daughter - she's listed after Eliza although older, and is a servant, as would befit her placing on the census.
The 1851 census with William Wicks shows a son/stepson John aged 14. Why isn't he with James and Maria in 1841?
Possibly John's baptism:
John Clark in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: John Clark Gender: Male Birth Date: 2 May 1836 Baptism Date: 22 May 1836 Baptism Place: All Souls Church, Marylebone, Middlesex, England Father: James Clark Mother: Maria Clark FHL Film Number: 580896
James Clarke and Maria Everson married in the same church.
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25 Jul 2020 11:04 |
Eliza Clarke 21 of Frederick Street dad James Clarke dead married Edwin Hudson hairdresser of Wellington Street on Dec 6th 1859
1861 Wellington Street St Pancras Regent Park Edwin Hudson 29 hairdresser Eliza 21 Edwin Everson 11 born Woolwich Kent. He also became a hairdresser.
John Clarke ginger beer maker of Frederick Street dad James dead married Charlotte Duck dad Henry in St Pancras 26/9/1858 They had 10 children and 1 died according to 1911 census. They had Eliza 1859 and she is with Maria Wicks in 1881 as grandaughter.
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Rose
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25 Jul 2020 21:21 |
ArgyllGran I have been doing the same thing today !ol
Mary Clarke , 12 in the 1841 census must be Maria.child born 1840 Clark-Everson
Been looking for John Clark, Born 2/5/1836, Bap 22/5/1836? Wonder where he had been since birth, still looking lol.. Thank you Mary for finding his marriage, Hells bells 10 children, I dont think there are too many parents that have 10 now all due to birth control.
I do wonder why Maria Wicks is a boarder in 1861, her husband didnt die till 1870 or maybe he was in hospital?. Maybe couldnt afford the rent if her husband was ill and not working.
Why isnt Eliza on the 1851 census?
1871 census Maria is visiting the Sanders family, may follow this up as could be a granddaughter? Just been googling Monthly Nurse which is obsolete now. It was a nurse that stayed with or visited a mother after she had her baby for a month. What a lovely job!!
Thanks ladies , as always youve been brilliant Rose
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jul 2020 22:22 |
I think you mean that Eliza, aged 18 months in 1841, is the child registered in 1st quarter 1840. Not Mary. She could have been born at the end of 1839.
This is the 1870 death you mention, for reference - may or may not be him:
William Wicks in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: William Wicks Estimated birth year: abt 1804 Registration Year: 1870 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 66 Registration district: Staines Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 12
That might or might not be this man, a boarder with the Fell family:
William Wicks in the 1861 England Census Name: William Wicks [ bricklayer's labourer, unmarried ] Age: 58 Estimated birth year: 1803 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Pinner, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Kentish Town ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 223 Piece: 122 Folio: 52 Page Number: 36
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25 Jul 2020 22:34 |
Re 1861, when Maria is a visitor to the Sanders family -
she could well be the monthly nurse for young Percy Sanders aged 3 days, even though the enumerator hasn't written that on the form.
SANDERS, PERCY HENRY mms KELSEY GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 4
Probably his mother's birth:
KELSEY, MARY ANN mms BROWN GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 358
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Rose
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26 Jul 2020 14:09 |
ArgyllGran Apologies for mixing up the girls Eliza and Mary I think I am happy with Maria Everson/Clarke/ Wicks
I am still struggling with Mary Ann Everson/Stokes The only death I can find June qtr 1878 but when I have gone back from 1881c its different Mary Ann She was born Charlton Kent and not Dartford. Was married to Henry Stokes on the 1871 census.
Thank you for all your help Rose
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Maddie
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26 Jul 2020 14:53 |
for ref 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Stokes Head - Male 72 1799 - Middlesex, England Mary Ann Stokes Wife - Female 65 1806 - Kent, England ----- image says charlton Adelaide E Stokes Daughter - Female 35 1836 - Middlesex, England Eliza Roche Servant - Female 22 1849 - Middlesex, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
161, Ladbroke Grove Road, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Stokes Head Widow Female 75 1806 Private Pensioner Charlton, Kent, England Adelaide E Stokes Daughter Single Female 45 1836 Private Pensioner Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England Isabella Hazeon Daughter Married Female 42 1839 Merchants Wife Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England Peter Hazeon Son In Law Married Male 57 1824 Sh American Merchant St Pancras, Middlesex, England Eliza Cole Servant Single Female 24 1857 Cook Islington, Middlesex, England Elizabeth F W Culham Servant Single Female 30 1851 Housemaid Kent, England
Name: Isabella Stokes Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 15 Aug 1861 Marriage Place: St Sepulchre, Holborn, City of London, England Father: Henry Stokes ----- a distiller Spouse: Peter Hazeon Register Type: Parish Register
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26 Jul 2020 15:06 |
Name: Henry Stokes Estimated birth year: abt 1798 Registration Year: 1871 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 73 Registration district: London City Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: London Volume: 1c Page: 34
Name: Henry Stokes Death Date: 14 Dec 1871 Death Place: London, England Probate Date: 11 Apr 1872 Probate Registry: Principal Registry
distiller and brandy merchant
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26 Jul 2020 15:13 |
View Record Mary Stokes Burial 21 Jun 1884 Saint Marylebone, Westminster View Record Mary Stokes Death 18 Jun 1884 Saint Marylebone, Westminster View Record Mary Stokes Death 10 Sep 1889 St Marylebone, Westminster View Record Mary Stokes Death 27 May 1890 St Pancras, Camden
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Maddie
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26 Jul 2020 15:41 |
maybe not this family
Name: Mary A Stokes Age: 55 Estimated birth year: 1806 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Henry Stokes Gender: Female Where born: Charlton, Kent, England Civil Parish: St Sepulchre Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: West London Sub-registration district: West London North ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 294 Piece: 216 Folio: 78 Page Number: 47 Household Members: Name Age Henry Stokes 63 Mary A Stokes 55 Frank Stokes 17 Frederick W Stokes 14 ------------------ Eliza Ward 48
STOKES, FREDERICK WALTER MUCKLOW GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 162
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2020 16:09 |
Adelaide Elizabeth Stokes in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Adelaide Elizabeth Stokes Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 1 Apr 1836 Baptism Place: Stoke Newington St Mary, Hackney, England Father: Henry Stokes Mother: Mary Stokes Register Type: Parish Registers
Adelaide Stokes in the 1841 England Census Name: Adelaide Stokes Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Stoke Newington Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington Neighbors: Piece: 669 Book: 5 Folio: 20 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Henry Stokes 40 Maryann Stokes 35 Lucy Stokes 15 Sarah Stokes 15 Mary Stokes 12 Charles Stokes 14 William Stokes 10 Deane Stokes 9 Adelaide Stokes 5 Conrad Stokes 4 Isabella Stokes 2
At school in 1851, in the home of the Faulkner family in Chelsea, and in 1861 she's a visitor to the Faulkner family.
1871 onwards, she's with her parents until her death in 1894
So - Henry and Mary Ann Stokes married before 1826, when the daughter Lucy on 1841 census was born.
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26 Jul 2020 16:39 |
Mary Stokes in the 1851 England Census Name: Mary Stokes Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Henry Stokes Gender: Female Where born: Charlton, Kent, England Civil Parish: St Sepulchre Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: West London Sub-registration district: West London North ED, institution, or vessel: 3c Neighbors: Household schedule number: 138 Piece: 1526 Folio: 212 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Henry Stokes 52 Mary Stokes 45 Lucy Stokes 28 Charles Stokes 24 Mary Stokes 22 Edward Stokes 13 Isabella Stokes 12 Frank Stokes 7 Walter Stokes 4 Olive Vaice 44 - servant Emma Wall 22 - servant
This matches with the 1861 posted by Maddie, and 1841.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2020 17:05 |
Frank Stokes in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Frank Stokes Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 28 Dec 1843 Baptism Place: Holborn St Sepulchre, City of London, England Father: Henry Stokes - distiller Mother: Mary Stokes Register Type: Parish Registers
Frederick Walter Stokes in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Frederick Walter Stokes Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Jul 1847 Baptism Place: Holborn St Sepulchre, City of London, England Father: Henry Stokes, distiller Mother: Mary Stokes Register Type: Parish Registers
Isabella Stokes in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Isabella Stokes Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1841 Baptism Place: Stoke Newington St Mary, Hackney, England Father: Henry Stokes, distiller Mother: Mary Ann Stokes Register Type: Parish Registers
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27 Jul 2020 14:18 |
Name: Mr F W Stokes Gender: Male Departure Date: 24 Jun 1911 Port of Departure: Plymouth, England Destination Port: Cape Town, South Africa Ship Name: Galeka Search Ship Database: Search for the Galeka in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: The Union-Castle Mail Steamship Co, Ltd Official Number: 110265 Master: G W Armstrong
Name: F W Stokes Port of Departure: London, England Arrival Date: 14 Jan 1911 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Durban [Natal]; East London; Port Elizabeth [Algoa Bay]; Cape Town; Tenerife; London Ship Name: Edinburgh Castle Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd Official Number: 129088
Name: Frederick Walter Stokes Gender: Male Marriage Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1844 Marriage Date: 5 May 1866 Marriage Place: St Luke, Chelsea, Kensington and Chelsea, England Father: Henry Stokes ---- distiller Spouse: Ellen Hiffernan
Name: Frederick Walter Stokes Gender: Male Marriage Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1844 Marriage Date: 5 May 1866 Marriage Place: St Luke, Chelsea, Kensington and Chelsea, England Father: Henry Stokes Spouse: Ellen Hiffernan
Name: Frederick Walter Stokes Death Date: 1917 Volume: 6/9/943 Reference: 2469 Source: Master's Office / Orphan Chamber, Cape Town (MOOC) Source location: Cape Town Archives Repository
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Rose
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28 Jul 2020 09:49 |
Thank you very much ladies. I have already checked out those names.
Mary Ann Everson married Joseph Stokes and apparently he was born in Farnham Surrey. This is the only Joseph I can find. I have also tried to find their children and I havent found anything that I can link to Mary Ann and Joseph The Emma in the 1841 census is Elizabeth Emma Stokes. Both she and Charles born 1832 were christened together on 19th Oct 1834.
It seems to me that the death of Mary Ann Stokes June qtr 1878 is not the Mary Ann I am looking for. The family I am looking for seems to have disappeared!!
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jul 2020 11:14 |
I'm confused!
You started this thread asking about Maria Everson 1802, born Dartford, who married James Clark. It seems she later married William Wicks.
Then later you asked about Mary Ann Everson, 1804 Dartford, who married Joseph Stokes.
We've found the Mary Ann Everson, born Charlton c1806, who married Henry Stokes, on censuses 1841-81, but if I'm understanding you properly, this isn't the woman you're looking for.
Which of these women is the one are you looking for, please? How did you work back to her? Which of her children is definitely in your tree?
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28 Jul 2020 12:06 |
The Joseph Stokes marriage, for our reference - not already posted, I think:
Joseph Stokes in the Bexley, Kent, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 Name: Joseph Stokes [ labourer ] [Josephus Stokes] Gender: Male Age: Of age Marriage Date: 4 Jul 1841 Marriage Place: East Wickham, Kent, England Chapelry: St Michael Parish as it Appears: East Wickham Father: Charles Stokes [ carpenter ] Spouse: Mary Ann Everson [ Father: William Everson, labourer ]
Witnesses: Henry Everson and Sarah Anderson
Joseph's residence at time of marriage: Wickham. Maria's: Erith.
Erika posted the 1851 census for them on page 1. Copying again here:
Joseph Stoke in the 1851 England Census Name: Joseph Stoke Age: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1796 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Ann Stoke Gender: Male Where born: Farnham, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Erith Ecclesiastical parish: Maidstone County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Dartford Sub-registration district: Bexley ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 57 Piece: 1607 Folio: 179 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Stoke 55****************************************FISHERMAN Mary Ann Stoke 42 born DARTFORD,
Also copying Joseph's probable death, already posted:
STOKES, JOSEPH 67 GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 207
They had no children 1841-64.
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28 Jul 2020 12:35 |
Mary Ann in 1841 (apologies if already posted):
Mary Everton in the 1841 England Census Name: Mary Everton [Mary Everson] Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Gender: Female Where born: Kent, England Civil Parish: Dartford Hundred: Axton, Dartford and Wilmington County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Dartford Sub-registration district: Dartford Neighbors: Piece: 482 Book: 5 Folio: 23 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age William Everton 40 Mary Everton 35 John Everton 14 Frederick Everton 12 William Everton 10 Mary Everton 8 James Everton 2 Emma Everton 2 Eliza Everton 1 Thomas Everton 6
I don't see either Joseph or Mary in 1861.
Nor do I see a remarriage or death of Mary Ann - at least not in Dartford reg district.
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