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Peter
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9 Jul 2020 09:02 |
I am trying to find the marriage details of my late Uncle Henry Westbury’s in laws, he married their daughter Florence Lillie Hammond (born in Dover in 1886) on 27/09/1910. Both my Uncle and Aunt died many years before I was born. The details of his in-laws are as follows:- George HAMMOND born in LITTLEBOURNE, Kent in ca 1853 & his wife(?) Ann HORN born in BLEAN, Kent in 1858. They are shown as being married in the 1881, 1891, 1901 & 1911 censuses and in the latter census, shown as being married for 33 years, ie in 1877/78. Their eldest child was born in HYTHE, Kent and the mother’s maiden name is shown as HORN. Living abroad does not make this task too easy and any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Best regards Peter Westbury MOSS, southern Norway
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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9 Jul 2020 09:08 |
Have you looked on FreeBMD
Edit it doesn’t look like they married
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Peter
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9 Jul 2020 10:04 |
I had come to the same conclusion but I thought that I would give this message board a final and possibly futile chance! Thanks Shirley
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ErikaH
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10 Jul 2020 11:11 |
Could George have been already married to someone else, and not free to marry Ann?
BTW, living outside the UK is no hindrance to online research.
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malyon
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10 Jul 2020 12:37 |
George Hammond England, Kent, Canterbury Parish Registers, 1538-1986 Name: George Hammond Event Type: Baptism Event Date: 30 Nov 1853 Event Place: Littlebourne, Kent, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Littlebourne, St Vincent, Kent Event Place Note: 1558-1912 Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Harriet Affiliate Image Identifier: GBPRS/CANT/B/96439921
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malyon
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10 Jul 2020 12:41 |
George Hammond England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005 Name: George Hammond Event Type: Marriage Event Place: Hoo, Kent, England Registration District: Hoo County: Kent Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1877 Volume: 2A Affiliate Line Number: 317 Possible Spouse: Richard Brown Possible Spouse: Maria Jane Jenkins Possible Spouse: Sarah Ann Miskin
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malyon
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10 Jul 2020 13:40 |
Ann Horn England and Wales Census, 1861 Name: Ann Horn Event Type: Census Event Date: 1861 Event Place: Chislet, Kent, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Chislet, Kent, England County: Kent Registration District: Blean Residence Note: Chislett Forstale Gender: Female Age: 20 Marital Status: Married Occupation: Farm Servant Birth Year (Estimated): 1841 Birthplace: Blean, Kent Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Page Number: 1 Registration Number: RG09 Piece/Folio: 523 / 15 Affiliate Record Type: Household Affiliate Image Identifier: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1861/0523/00091A&parentid=GBC/1861/0003452846 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace George Horn Head Male 24 Ash, Kent Ann Horn Wife Female 20 Blean, Kent Anne Horn Daughter Female 2 Blean, Kent George Horn Son Male 1 Blean, Kent
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malyon
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10 Jul 2020 13:50 |
Ann Horn England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007 Name: Ann Horn Event Type: Death Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1865 Registration District: Blean County: Kent Event Place: Blean, Kent, England Volume: 2A Affiliate Line Number: 32
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malyon
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10 Jul 2020 14:01 |
George Horn England and Wales Census, 1901 Name: George Horn Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: Ickham, Kent, England, United Kingdom County: Kent Civil Parish: Ickham Ecclesiastical Parish: Ickham St John The Evangelist Sub-District: Barham Registration District: Bridge Gender: Male Age: 64 Occupation: TEAMSTER ON FARM Relationship to Head of Household: Head Birth Year (Estimated): 1837 Birthplace: Ash, Kent Schedule Type: 41 Page Number: 6 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace George Horn Head Male 64 Ash, Kent Jane Stickells Daughter Female 25 Ickham, Kent Mabel R Stickells Grand Daughter Female 3 Wingham, Kent
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Peter
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11 Jul 2020 07:50 |
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message, it is much appreciated. I realise now that I should have made it clear that it wasn’t online records I meant but local church records, as I know that not all of this type of record is, as yet, fully online. I didn’t mean to waste anyone’s time and should have been more precise. I apologise. Kind regards Peter
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ErikaH
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11 Jul 2020 09:18 |
No-one’s time has been wasted, Peter.
But you may like to consider looking for a marriage for George which would have prevented his marrying Ann.
At the moment, as I’m sure you know, UK Records Offices are not open, so it simply isn’t possible to access info anywhere except on line.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Jul 2020 12:07 |
George was unmarried in 1871:
George Hammond in the 1871 England Census Name: George Hammond Age: 18 Estimated birth year: 1853 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Littleborough Kent England [ Littlebourn on image ] Civil Parish: Wickhambreux Ecclesiastical parish: Bridge and Canterbury Town: Grove County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Bridge Sub-registration district: Barham ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 25 Piece: 966 Folio: 44 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age John Holdstock 24 Louisa Holdstock 23 Frederic J Holdstock 4 Walter A Holdstock 2 Herbert W Holdstock 1 George Hammond 18 Mary A Shersby 14
No marriages for him on FreeBMD.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Jul 2020 12:23 |
There is no birth record for an Ann (or similar) Horn(e) in Blean 1852-1870 and later.
There's a Minnie Horne born in Blean in 1859, but she's accounted for in later censuses and marriage.
For elimination - this is NOT Ann's birth below - this child died.
HORNE, ANN JANE PAY GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in CANTERBURY Volume 02A Page 537
Death: HORN, ANN JANE 2 GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 407
Her parents (Maria and William) and siblings (mms Pay) are in Greenwich in 1871.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Jul 2020 13:11 |
The 1861 posted by Malyon, with parents George and Ann Horn seems to be the correct one for Ann 1859.
Possibly the birth of the brother George?
HORN, GEORGE mms BURTON GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in BLEAN Volume 02A Page 528
Parents' marriage:
Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%) Burton Ann Blean 2a 805 Horn George Blean 2a 805
Young Ann is not with her parents in 1871.
The 1877 marriage of George Hammond to Maria Jane Jenkins (also posted by Malyon) is a possibility. I can't see any sign of that couple (or of Maria Jane on her own) after that.
Perhaps they parted almost immediately, and George took up with Ann.
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safc
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11 Jul 2020 15:52 |
Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field (only fields with a value are shown) Value County Kent Place (Links to more information) Hoo St Werburgh Church name (Links to more information) St Werburgh Register entry number 145 Marriage date 04 Nov 1877 Groom forename George Groom surname HAMMOND Groom age full age Groom condition Bachelor Groom occupation Sailor Groom abode Hoo Bride forename Maria Jane Bride surname JENKINS Bride age minor Bride condition Spinster Bride abode St Margaret's Rochester Groom father forename George Groom father surname HAMMOND Groom father occupation Labourer Bride father forename George Bride father surname JENKINS Bride father occupation Fisherman Witness1 William HAMMOND Witness2 Eliza JENKINS Notes Both signed Transcribed by Peter Honeywood
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safc
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11 Jul 2020 15:54 |
????
this could be them in devon
Record Transcription: 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
?, Otterton, St Thomas, Devon, England
Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Hammond Head Married Male 29 1852 Coast Guard Hoo, Kent, England Maria Hammond Wife Married Female 23 1858 Coast Guards Wife Rochester, Kent, England Ellen Hammond Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Otterton, Devon, England Rupert Hammond Son Single Male 0 1881 - Otterton, Devon, England
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ArgyllGran
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11 Jul 2020 16:45 |
Yes, you're right, safc.
HAMMOND, RUPERT HENRY GEORGE mms JENKINS GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in SAINT THOMAS Volume 05B Page 34
Oh well, that's clearly not the same George Hammond!
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Peter
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11 Jul 2020 18:49 |
Thanks so much for all your help but it seems fairly obvious to me now that I can’t get any further with my quest to find actual marriage details that will link them both to their parents’ generation. The Hammond name was more common than I originally thought! Kind regards Peter
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