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Hi All thankyou so much for all the imformation you have given me its got me through that brick wall I think the trip back to Canada in 1913 could be because Henry Joseph Flower died in 1913 so he must have come back for the funeral of his father .and see the family
I must now see if I am able to get any of the Certs from Canada and fine the first trip to Canada
Thank you all again Pam Dale

BAKER, MAUD JANE CASTLE
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in EASTRY Volume 02A Page 953

Name: Maud Jane Baker
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 20 Sep 1882
Baptism Place: St George's Church, Deal, Kent, England
Father: Richard Thomas Baker
Mother: Sarah Eliza Corney


Marriages Sep 1870 (>99%)
BAKER Richard Thomas Eastry 2a 1117
Castle Sarah Elizabeth Eastry 2a 1117

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Deal, Eastry, Kent, England
Richard S Baker Head Married Male 47 1844 Boot Maker Deal, Kent, England
Sarah E Baker Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Deal, Kent, England
Florence Baker Daughter Single Female 19 1872 - Deal, Kent, England
Richard T Baker Son Single Male 18 1873 Assistant To His Father Deal, Kent, England
Ethel Baker Daughter - Female 13 1878 - Deal, Kent, England
Sidney Baker Son - Male 12 1879 - Deal, Kent, England
Daisy Baker Daughter - Female 10 1881 - Deal, Kent, England
Maud Baker Daughter - Female 9 1882 - Deal, Kent, England
Frederick Baker Son - Male 6 1885 - Deal, Kent, England
Lilian Baker Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Deal, Kent, England


Name: Maud J Baker
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1883
Arrival year: 1907
Arrival Country: USA

From FMP

The village of Deal in Kent is missing in its entirety from the 1901 census. There are no known copies available.

No, several of family still in Walmer 1911

1911 Census For England & Wales
Dover Road Walmer, Walmer, Kent, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Joseph Flower Head Married Male 61 1850 Boot And Shoe Maker Maker Walmer Kent
Ellen Eliza Flower Wife Married Female 60 1851 - Deal Kent
Percy Charles Flower Son Single Male 29 1882 Assisting In The Business Walmer Kent
Walter John Flower Son Single Male 24 1887 House Painter Walmer Kent
Ethel Grace Flower Daughter Single Female 22 1889 - Walmer Kent
Marguerite Cordelia Flower Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Shop Assistant Stationery Walmer Kent

Quite a large family, but unless badly transcribed I'm not seeing any of them in 1901, so did they all go to Canada between 1891 and 1901?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dover Road, Walmer, Eastry, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Joseph Flower Head Married Male 41 1850 Boot Maker Walmer, Kent, England
Ellen Eliza Flower Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Deal, Kent, England
Edith Ellen Flower Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Pupil Teacher Parochial School Walmer, Kent, England
Herbert George Flower Son - Male 15 1876 Plumbers Apprentice Walmer, Kent, England
Arthur Casimer Flower Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar Walmer, Kent, England
Minnie Gertrude Flower Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Walmer, Kent, England
Percy Charles Flower Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Walmer, Kent, England
Frederic Victor Flower Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Walmer, Kent, England
Walter John Flower Son - Male 4 1887 - Walmer, Kent, England
Ethel Grace Flower Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Walmer, Kent, England
Dorothy Janet Flower Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Walmer, Kent, England

Second son's marriage

Name: Edward James Flower
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1915
Birth Place: Toronto, Ontario
Marriage Date: 9 Sep 1938
Marriage Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Frederick Victor Flower
Mother: Maude Flower
Spouse: Edna May Stanley

Name: Edna May Stanley
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1917
Birth Place: Toronto, Ontario
Marriage Date: 9 Sep 1938
Marriage Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
Father: John M Clenathon Stanley
Mother: Sophrona Beatrice Stanley
Spouse: Edward James Flower


Name: Edward James Flower
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1915
Death Date: 20 Dec 1944
Cemetery: Toronto (Park Lawn) Cemetery Can.492
Burial Country: Canada
Regimental Number: R/282593
Region or Memorial: Canada
Father: Frederick V Flower
Mother: Maude Jean Flower


His widow may have re-married, although I can't see an actual record

Name: Edna May Stanley Howard
[Edna May Stanley Stanley]
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Nationality: English
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1917
Birth Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Arrival Date: 1 Dec 1952
Arrival Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Departure Contact: Father John Stanley
Accompanied By: Husband Sydney; Son Renald; Son Bruce
Father: John Stanley

Son's marriage

Name: Douglas Frederick Flower
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1909
Birth Place: Ontario, Canada
Marriage Date: 15 Jan 1929
Marriage Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Frederick V. Flower
Mother: Maud. J. Flower
Spouse: Freda Osborne

Name: Freda Osborne
Gender: Female
Age: 17
Birth Year: abt 1912
Birth Place: Ontario, Canada
Marriage Date: 15 Jan 1929
Marriage Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Henry Osborne
Mother: Loucas Osborne
Spouse: Douglas Frederick Flower


Border Crossing

Name: Freda Flower
[Freda Grass]
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: Hebrew
Departure Contact: Husband Douglas F Flower
Age: 22
Record Type: Cards
Birth Date: 10 May 1912
Birth Place: Ottawa, Ontario
Arrival Date: 27 Mar 1935
Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York, USA
Accompanied By: Friend Austin May
Arrival Contact: Aunt Mary Fisher
Record has photo?: No

Name: Freda Osborne
Gender: Female
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canada
Marital status: Single
Age: 9
Birth Year: abt 1912
Birth Place: Ontario
Residence Date: 1 Jun 1921***********
House Number: 32
Residence Street or Township: 852 Assington Ave
Residence City, Town or Village: Toronto North (ward 5)
Residence District: Toronto North
Residence Province or Territory: Ontario
Residence Country: Canada
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Henry Osborne
Father Birth Place: England
Mother's name: Louisa Osborne
Can Speak English?: Yes
Can Speak French?: No
Religion: Baptist
Can Read?: Yes
Can Write?: Yes
Months at School: 4
Municipality: Ward 5
Enumeration District: 132
Sub-District: Ward 5
Sub-District Number: 56
Enumerator: Eric R. Seaman

Line Number: 46
Family Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Osborne 39
Louisa Osborne 40
Freda Osborne 9

Fred Flower
in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Fred Flower
Residence Date: 1945
Residence Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Electoral District: Davenport
Occupation: Carpenter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Reference Number: M-4811

with Mrs Fred flower, at 679 Gladstone Avenue.



Fredrick Flower
in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Fredrick Flower
Residence Date: 1940
Residence Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Electoral District: Davenport
Occupation: Carpenter
Reference Number: M-4776

Same address, with Mrs Fredrick Flower.


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Mary Ann Flower
in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Mary Ann Flower
Residence Date: 1972
Residence Place: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
Street address: Bell St
Electoral District: Renfrew North
Occupation: Ret
Reference Number: M-6166

His son was with him on the voyage in 1913, as was his first wife, Maud

Name: Douglas Flower
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Birth Date: abt 1909
Departure Date: 6 Sep 1913
Port of Departure: Bristol, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Royal George


Name: Maud Flower
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1883
Departure Date: 6 Sep 1913
Port of Departure: Bristol, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Royal George
Shipping Line: Royal Line
Official Number: 125643
Master: Fred J Thompson

A number of Ancetry trees have him residing in Ontario in 1907 where he married Maud Jane Baker on 27 April 1907 (1882-1921). The 1913 departure presumably is therefore a returning trip not an initail one. It shows his residence in Toronto in 1940 as a Widower. Death it says was in Canada but no date given

NameFrederick Viel?? Flower
Age 23
Birth Year1 884
Birth Place England
Marriage Date 27/04/1907
Marriage Place York Ontario Canada
Father Joseph Henry Flower
Mother Ellen Meakins Flower
Spouse Maud Jane Baker

From image - CofE.
Maud also born England. parents Richard Thomas Baker and SArah Elizabeth ?? ( image hasn't captured all of the line)
Witnesses - Arthur William ?? - again line cut off short and Florence Anthony both of Toronto

ancestry tree shows 2 children
Douglas FRederick Flower - 1909 - ? and Edward James Flower 1915-1944 (died WW2) was married to Edna M

First marriage

Name: Frederick Viel?? Flower******************Carpenter
[Frederick Victor Flower]
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 27 Apr 1907
Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Joseph Henry Flower
Mother: Ellen Meakins Flower
Spouse: Maud Jane Baker

Name: Maud Jane Baker
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1883
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 27 Apr 1907
Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Richard Thomas Baker
Mother: Sarah Elizabeth Cornely Baker
Spouse: Frederick Viel?? Flower

Name: Frederick Flower
Gender: Male
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canada
Marital status: Widowed
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birth Place: England
Residence Date: 1 Jun 1921********
House Number: 84
Residence Street or Township: 774 1/2 Garge St
Residence City, Town or Village: Toronto, Ward 3
Residence District: Toronto Centre
Residence Province or Territory: Ontario
Residence Country: Canada
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Can Speak English?: Yes
Can Speak French?: No
Religion: Anglican
Can Read?: Yes
Can Write?: Yes
Months at School: 9
Occupation: Flour Miller
Employment Type: 3 Own Account
Nature of Work: Hardware Store B
Municipality: Ward 3
Enumeration District: 130
Sub-District: Ward 3
Sub-District Number: 52
Home Owned or Rented: Free
Monthly Rental: 01
Class of House: Single House
Materials of Construction: Brick
Number of Rooms: 3
Enumerator: C. H Jones.
Line Number: 36
Family Number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Flower 36
Donglas Flower 12
Edward Flower 6

DEATH

Name: Frederick Victor Flowers
Gender: Male
Race: English
Age: 63
Birth Date: 16 Jul 1884
Birth Place: Kent, England
Death Date: 10 Mar 1948
Death Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Flower
Spouse: Mary Anne Bird

You didn't mention a second forename.............

Name: Frederick Victor Flower - Widower
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 12 Aug 1924
Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Henry Joseph Flower
Mother: Eliza Jane Castle
Spouse: Mary Ann Bird


Name: Mary Ann Bird -Widow
[Mary Ann Timson]
Gender: Female
Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 12 Aug 1924
Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father: John Whitworth Timson
Mother: Mary Ann Walton
Spouse: Frederick Victor Flower

Where did you find the info about his migration?

Hi all I am tring to trace a Frederick Flower b1884 Walmer Kent he was one of 13 children born to Henry Joseph and Ellen Flower
Frederick went to Canada on the ship Royal George which left Bristol September 1913 going to Montreal
Frederick was a Joiner by trade I am tring to what became of him
Regards Pam Dale