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John Purves born 09/12/1900 in Paisley Scotland.

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Nala

Nala Report 27 Jun 2020 09:45

I would like to ask if any Scottish members could help me find out anything about this lost family member.

John Purves born 9th December 1900. Paisley.
Sister Ruth.
Brother James.

My scribbled notes say Mother Susan Moore then in brackets Muir..

EG_ Scotlands People site. Parish records or Census. Regards Nala. :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 10:09

You don't need a Scottish member particularly - though I am one!

Register free with Scotlands People - https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
You can search free, though you have to buy credits (minimum 30 credits for £7.50) in order to see the actual image of a cert.

That's what we Scottish (and other) members do.

This will be his birth record:

PURVES
JOHN
M
1900
573/1 2537
Paisley

It will cost you 6 credits to see the cert with all the details.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 10:13

This will be his death, showing mms:

PURVES
JOHN
74
mms MOORE
1975
646/ 702
Paisley

And this will be his parents' marriage:

MUIR SUSAN
PURVES JOHN
1890
573/ 338
Paisley

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 10:13

SP is not a subscription site , so people are unlikely to use precious units

You can buy units on the site and download his birth cert

PURVES
JOHN
M
1900
573/1 2537
Paisley

You can search on SP without paying - try it

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 10:15


From FMP - and no need to be Scottish to do online research for Scotland


1901
3, Cochran Street, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Susan Purvis Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Annie Purvis Daughter - Female 9 1892 Scholar Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
James Purvis Son - Male 5 1896 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Ruth Purvis Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
John Purvis Son - Male 0 1901 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
George Moore Boarder Single Male 21 1880 Machinist (Engineer's) Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 10:16

His mother's death:

MOORE
SUSAN
56
1922
573/1 235
Paisley


PURVES
SUSAN
56
1922
573/1 235
Paisley

Scottish deaths of married women are listed under both married and maiden surnames, if known.

However, with all the results I've posted, you need to see the actual images for full details.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 10:19

John Purvis
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: John Purvis
Age: 3 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Susan Purvis
Gender: Male
Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 573/1
Registration district: Paisley
Civil Parish: Paisley
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 3 Cochran St
ED: 87
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_209
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Purvis 35 - Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
Annie Purvis 9
James Purvis 5
Ruth Purvis 1
John Purvis 3 Mo
George Moore 21 - boarder

I imagine George is Susan's brother.

You can see the image of the census document on SP.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 10:22

1881

22, New Smithhills Street, Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
James Moore Head Married Male 48 1833 Labourer Ireland
Jane Moore Wife Married Female 38 1843 - Ireland
Susan Moore Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1866 Mill Girl Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Annie Moore Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1868 Mill Girl Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jane Moore Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1872 Scholar Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Ellen Moore Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1877 - Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
George Moore Son Unmarried Male 2 1879 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Michael O'Haro Lodger Married Male 40 1841 Gardener Ireland
Patrick Hughes Lodger Unmarried Male 23 1858 Irondresser Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland


1891
High Street, Middle Church, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

James Moore Head Widower Male 56 1835 Scavanger Ireland
Jane Moore Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1872 Thread Millworker Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Helen Moore Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1877 Housekeeper Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
George Moore Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

Nala

Nala Report 27 Jun 2020 10:25

I have been given fantastic information here and had my eyes open to various things. Thank you everyone. Nala. :-D

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 10:46


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Barclay Street, High Church Paisley, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

John Purves Head Married Male 27 1864 House Painter Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Susan Purves Wife Married Female 25 1866 - Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 10:48

PURVES
RUTH
72
1971
573/1 597
Paisley

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 11:38

Brother James's birth:

PURVES
JAMES MOORE
M
1896
573/ 62
Paisley


James Moore Purves
in the UK, WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: James Moore Purves
Rank: Pte
Record Type: Disability
Birth Date: 1896
Residence Place: Paisley
Military Service Region: Scotland, Scotland
Discharge Date: 26 Oct 1918
Service Number: 252010
Corps, Regiment or Unit: Argyle & Suther Hrs
Service Branch: Military (Army)
Title: PRC Ledgers
Description: Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number: 1/MP/43
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
James Moore Purves


You can get a 7-day free trial to Fold3 to see the full army record for James.
But remember to cancel the free trial before the end of the 7 days, or they'll take a year's subscription automatically.



James Moore Purves
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: James Moore Purves
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1896
Registration Date: Apr 1979
[May 1979]
[Jun 1979]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Pontefract
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 1118

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 12:01

1939

The Sheiling Hill Road, Castleford U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
James M Purves 06 Jan 1896 Male Employment Officer Ministry Of Labourer Married 101 1
Ethel Purves 24 Nov 1900 Female Chiropodist Married 101 2


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1931

PURVES James M TITTERTON Ethel 1931 Rusholme, Roby Congregational Chapel (now Roby URC), Dickenson Road Archives+, Manchester Central Library 229/3/16

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 12:02

Birth of sister Annie:


PURVES
ANNIE
F
1891
573/ 1815
Paisley


Possible death (only one Ann* Purves with no middle name was born in Scotland 1891-3) , but needs death cert to confirm:

PURVES
ANNIE
57
1949
644/6 572
Townhead

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 12:09

Ethel was older than she owend up to in 1939

Deaths Jun 1971 (>99%)
PURVES Ethel 24No1892 Pontefract 2c 1375


TITTERTON, ETHEL ROOST
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 52

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
99, Wellington Road, Stockport, Cheshire, England

William Titterton Head Married Male 38 1863 Masseur Corporation Henbury, Cheshire, England
Mary J Titterton Wife Married Female 33 1868 - West Buckland, Somerset, England
Elsie Titterton Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Stockport, Cheshire, England
Ethel Titterton Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Stockport, Cheshire, England
Horace U Titterton Son - Male 4 1897 - Reddish, Lancashire, England

Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%)
ROOST Mary Jane Stockport 8a 84
TITTERTON William Stockport 8a 84

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Jun 2020 12:22

James Purves
in the British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name: James Purves
Regiment or Corps: 6th A & S Hrs
Regimental Number: 2520 10
Other Records: Search for 'James Purves' in other WWI collections

From image - Enlisted 21.1.15. Discharged 26.10.18 - cause of discharge Para 2(B)1 392 XV1 KR 9 (no longer physically fit for war service I believe, which may be the reason he features in the Pension ledgers record posted by AG)

Awarded Victory medal and British medal

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 12:23

1911 census from basic free search on SP - use credits to see the full document:

PURVES
JOHN
1911
M
10
573/1 77/ 4
Paisley
Renfrew


PURVES
JAMES
1911
M
15
573/1 77/ 4
Paisley
Renfrew

PURVES
ANNIE
1911
F
19
573/1 77/ 4
Paisley
Renfrew


PURVES
SUSAN
1911
F
45
573/1 77/ 4
Paisley
Renfrew


PURVES
RUTH
1911
F
11
573/1 77/ 4
Paisley
Renfrew

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 12:32

Erika has posted FMP's transcription of 1891, for John senior and Susan.

Here is Ancestry's mangled version:

John Power
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: John Power
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Susan Purser
Gender: Male
Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 573
Registration district: Paisley
Civil Parish: Paisley High Church
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 2 Barclay Street
Occupation: House Painter
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 37
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1891_188
Household Members:
Name Age
John Power 27
Susan Purser 25



As I don't see John senior's death before 1901, I wonder if this is him in 1901 - house painter. Possibly with an in-law John Muir?:

John Purves
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: John Purves
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Paisley, Renfrew
Registration Number: 553/1
Registration district: Brodick
Civil Parish: Kilbride
County: Bute
Address: Gowanlea
Occupation: House Painter
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 91
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1901_186
Household Members:
Name Age
John Kerr 69
Catherine Kerr 69
Marjory Kerr 31
John Purves 36
John Muir 61 - house painter, Paisley

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 12:44

If John senior was travelling around for work, this might be his death:

PURVES
JOHN
45
1910
733/ 24
Coldstream

Again, you'd need to see the cert to be sure.

It would also be interesting to see the 1901 and 1911 census images on SP to see if Susan was listed as married or widowed.

Nala

Nala Report 30 Jun 2020 13:02

Thank you very much everyone who helped me.


Keep Safe. Nala.