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Grahamwfc
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9 Jun 2020 08:30 |
I’m struggling with this ancestor. Info I have:- ??Ella Lydia Lambert married Leslie ClarenceFrampton Hendon 1940 3a1664 - correct Ella. Going forward from there all good. ??I believe/am told Ella was born near Leeds 1917 - the only birth record I can find though for an Ella Lydia is Hampstead 9/1/16 MMN Bradley and residing Hendon 1939 census working as shop asst Woolworths. ??Told Ella’s mother died when Ella was about 7 and raised by grandmother moving to London eventually ??Had a sister Daisy and a brother who died in teenage years from scarlet ??I have found a marriage between Daisy Elizabeth Bradley and Wilfred Lambert Mar Qtr 1910 Leeds ??There is a Daisy Elizabeth Lambert that died when 31 in Hampstead Jun Qtr 1921 1a 606. From evidence this would seem to be my Ella’s mother but I can’t find a birth record for the other Daisy. There is a Daisy born Settle/Leeds 17/4/13 but MMN Harrison. Evidence to of other siblings but not an Ella. ??Trying to ascertain if my Ella’s mum is the Daisy Elizabeth any pointers greatly appreciated, Thank You
EDIT- been assuming Daisy was older but there is a Daisy B. 1921 Hampstead MMN Bradley Graham
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greyghost
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9 Jun 2020 09:13 |
The 1939 register entry you refer to for our reference, reflecting a subsequent change of name to Frampton
Ella Frampton (Lambert)'s life in 1939 56 Hermitage Lane, Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Ella Frampton (Lambert) 09 Jan 1916 Female Woolworth & Shop Assistant Single 74 1 Ref: RG101/0831E/007/43 Letter Code: BKFN © Findmypast Ltd
Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate - it will hopefully give an age (if accurate) and name her Father
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greyghost
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9 Jun 2020 09:18 |
Ella's death registration - gives same DOB as per 1939 register
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
First name(s) ELLA LYDIA Last name FRAMPTON Gender Female Birth day 9 Birth month 1 Birth year 1916 Age - Death quarter 3 Death year 1993 District Dacorum District number 5301B Register number B37 Entry number 113 Date of registration mm/yy 0993 County Hertfordshire Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category
Probate record https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk
Ella Lydia Frampton of 3 Yew Tree Drive, Bovingdon, Herts died 25 September 1993. Probate Oxford 24 February 1994.
You can order a copy of the will through the site - may give further information
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ErikaH
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9 Jun 2020 09:26 |
Age at death shows birth year 1916
Ignore what you are ‘told’ if it can’t be backed up by documentation. People can over-dramatise things, or their memories play tricks
The birth with MMN Bradley is in the correct period to fit the 1939 register. She may have added the second forename because her husband had one
The sensible course of action is to buy a copy of the woman’s marriage cert
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greyghost
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9 Jun 2020 09:32 |
The birth registration in the March Qtr 1916 would "fit" the DOB shown but no middle name - could have been added at a later date?
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: LAMBERT, ELLA BRADLEY GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 945
A copy of that certificate would give names of both Father and Mother
freebmd or the gro.gov.uk site will give names of children born to the Lambert/Bradley combiantion. There is a Daisy 1921 and a Wilfrid 1911, both Hampstead registrations, but there are others are spread around the country.
Wilfrid died aged 26 in 1938 Hampstead and perhaps the birth of Daisy contributed to the death of her Mother, both events recorded in the June Qtr
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ErikaH
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9 Jun 2020 09:44 |
Name: Daisy Elizabeth Bradley Marriage Age: 21 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1889 Marriage Date: 16 Mar 1910 Marriage Place: Leeds, St Aidan, Yorkshire, England Father: Samuel Bradley Spouse: Wilfred Lambert
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ErikaH
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9 Jun 2020 09:45 |
Name: Daisy Elizabeth Lambert Age in 1911: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Daughter-in-law Gender: Female Birth Place: London, England Civil Parish: Leeds Search Photos: Search for 'Leeds' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 2 Ravenscar Place, Roundhay Leeds Marital status: Married Registration district: Leeds Registration District Number: 500 Sub-registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Piece: 26974 Household Members: Name Age S Lambert 50 Edith Lambert 31 Maud Lambert 29 Wifrid Lambert 26 Daisy Elizabeth Lambert 21 Wifrid Lambert 2 months Loftas Backhouse 17
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ErikaH
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9 Jun 2020 09:49 |
LAMBERT, WILFRID BRADLEY GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 562
Deaths Mar 1938 (>99%) Lambert Wilfrid 26 Hampstead 1a 739
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ErikaH
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9 Jun 2020 10:00 |
How many children did Ella have?
I've found one Frampton/Lambert birth
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ErikaH
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9 Jun 2020 10:13 |
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Name: Wilfrid Lambert Death Age: 76 Birth Date: abt 1884 Registration Date: Jul 1960 [Aug 1960] [Sep 1960] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Barnet Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume: 5a Page: 532
Same county as Ella's death
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9 Jun 2020 11:07 |
Daisy the sister:
Births Jun 1921 Lambert Daisy Bradley Hampstead 1a 979
Born the same quarter her mother died.
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9 Jun 2020 11:13 |
Siblings?
Births Sep 1911 LAMBERT Annie Bradley Leeds 9b 633
Perhaps not Annie as she was born so soon after Wilfred.
Births Jun 1915 (>99%) Lambert Edith Bradley Leeds 9b 499
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ErikaH
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9 Jun 2020 11:35 |
Daisy's birth was the one the OP referred to
There was another Lambert/Bradley marriage in Leeds
Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%) BRADLEY Ethel Leeds 9b 783 LAMBERT John William Leeds 9b 783
1939 35 Orchard Road, Leeds C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England John W Lambert 20 Mar 1885 Male Disabled Labourer Married 106 1 Ethel Lambert 01 May 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Married 106 2 Edith Lambert 18 Apr 1915 Female Tailors Dresser Single 106 3 Alice Wade (Lambert) 10 May 1920 Female Tailoress Machinist Single 106 4 Violet Render (Lambert) 08 Sep 1924 Female Laundress Sorter Single 106 5
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