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I have the 1851 Census for Manchester which is very water damaged on ancestry wondered if it is any clearer on other site Their surname is Lloyd all born in Manchester
their are 2 names I can't make out top one possibly widow aged 44?
a son 24 , Thomas ? 16 James 19 Thomas grandson 1 and 2 Visitors Richard Hughes , John Price , then Ann Lloyd 44 looks like marr

Thank you

This is it on fmp.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Back Shaw Street, Manchester, Salford, Lancashire, England

Thomas Lloyd Head Widowed Male 44 1807 Master Blacksmith Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Lloyd Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Jyman Blacksmith Salford, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lloyd Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Striker To Smith Salford, Lancashire, England
James Lloyd Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Striker To Smith Salford, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lloyd Gson Unmarried Male 1 1850 - Salford, Lancashire, England
Richard Hughes Visitor Unmarried Male 22 1829 Filer And Fitter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Price Visitor Unmarried Male 22 1829 Jyman Mechanic Wales
Ann Lloyd Visitor Married Female 46 1805 - Bolton, Lancashire, England


I can't make out the first name but he is 44 and a master blacksmith so shouldn't be too difficult finding him in the previous census. Second name does look like John, there is another John further down to compare it to.

For our reference , from Ancestry:

James Lloyd
in the 1851 England Census
Name: James Lloyd
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Taker
Mother's name: Mary Taker
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 321
Piece: 2223
Folio: 94
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
John Taker 35
Mary Taker 35
Elizabeth Taker 12
Mary Taker 11
Emma Taker 5

John Lloyd 24 - son [ first name is unclear - Tobias ? John? ]
Thomas Lloyd 16 - son
James Lloyd 19 - son
Thomas Lloyd 1 - grandson
Richard Hughes 22 - unmarried, visitor
John Price 22 - unmarried, visitor
Ann Lloyd 46 - married, visitor


From John, 24 onwards, it's reasonable clear.

Above John there's a 44-yr-pld male, surname Lloyd, head, widowed, can't read first name, master blacksmith.

I can't see any of those Takers which are transcribed on Ancestry.

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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Broughton Street, Manchester, Salford, Lancashire, England

Thomas Lloyd Male 35 1806 whitesmith Lancashire, England
Ann Lloyd Female 37 1804 Lancashire, England
Joseph Lloyd Male 11 1830 Lancashire, England
James Lloyd Male 8 1833 Lancashire, England
Thomas Lloyd Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England


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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

27, Chapel Street, Salford, Lancashire, England

Thomas Lloyd Head Married Male 55 1806 White Smith And Tobacconist Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ann Lloyd Wife - Female 57 1804 Tobacconists Wife Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lloyd Grandchild - Male 11 1850 Striker To Blacksmith -Salford
John Richardson Lodger - Male 23 1838 Letter Carrier -
Shaun Isherwood Lodger - Male 33 1828 ...Maker -

Thank you No I couldn't make out why the name Taker was there Just trying to follow the family in the 1901 census I have a John Lloyd age 23 a nephew also John Lloyd age 9 a nephew to James Tarpey 43 and Mary Ann 42
Their children births on GRO mothers maiden name Lloyd
So I was trying to trace Mary Ann Tarpey back to see where she come into the family the John Lloyd aged 9 his mother was Mary Jane Turner?? So thinking Mary Ann must have been a cousin of Mary Jane So nephew ?? doesn't add up

Thank you for the 1851 census the fathers name is a puzzle

It looks as though those 2 censuses could be them just had a lesson on the difference between a white smith and a black smith white is when it's cold and Blacksmith works on it when it's hot

Learn some thing new every day!!

I never knew that! I know a whitesmith works with white metals, mostly tin or pewter and a blacksmith works with iron or steel.

My husband googled it

TAKER, EMILY TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in THE SALFORD UNION Volume 20 Page 783
TAKER, MARY ANN TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in THE SALFORD UNION Volume 20 Page 761

Mary Ann Tarpey in 1881.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

31, Pottery Lane, Openshaw, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

John Lloyd Head Widower Male 54 1827 Blacksmith Salford, Lancashire, England
William Lloyd Son Single Male 15 1866 Striker For Blacksmith Salford, Lancashire, England
Edward Lloyd Son Single Male 14 1867 Scholar Openshaw, Lancashire, England
James Tarpey Son In Law Married Male 24 1857 Iron Worker Bilston, Staffordshire, England
>>Mary A Tarpey Daughter Married Female 22 1859 Housekeeper Openshaw, Lancashire, England
William Tarpey Brother Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Tarpey Grand Son Single Male 0 1881 - Treswell, Nottinghamshire, England



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Julia Street, Horwich, Bolton, Lancashire, England


James Tarpey Head Married Male 34 1857 Furnace Man Iron Foundry Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Mary Tarpey Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Tarpey Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
James Tarpey Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Maria Tarpey Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Mary Ann Tarpey Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Horwich, Lancashire, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

27, New Brunswick Street, Horwich, Bolton, Lancashire, England

James Tarpey Head Married Male 43 1858 Furnaceman Forge Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Mary Ann Tarpey Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Tarpey Son Single Male 17 1884 Apprentice Blacksmith Manchester, Lancashire, England
Maria Tarpey Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Cotton Spinner's Piecer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Tarpey Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Horwich, Lancashire, England
John Tarpey Son - Male 9 1892 - Horwich, Lancashire, England
Kate Tarpey Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Horwich, Lancashire, England
Ellen Tarpey Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Horwich, Lancashire, England
John Lloyd Nephew Single Male 23 1878 Forge Hammerman's Helper Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ellen Wood Visitor Married Female 20 1881 - Sale, Cheshire, England
Mabel Rodgers Visitor - Female 9 1892 - Sale, Cheshire, England
John Lloyd Nephew - Male 9 1892 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Baptism: 1 Jan 1882 St Brigid, Bradford, Lancashire, England
Thomas Tarpey - filius Jacobi Tarpey & Mariae Annae (formerly Lloyd)
Born: 23 Dec 1880
Abode: 18 Temple Str.
Godparents: Georgius Doyle; Maria Doyle
Baptised by: Gulielmo Sassen
Register: Baptisms 1879 - 1886, Page 54
Source: Original Register


Baptism: 13 May 1883 St Francis of Assisi, Gorton, Lancashire, England
Jacobus Tarpey - filius Jacobi Tarpey & Mariae (formerly Lloid)
Born: 30 Apr 1883
Godparents: Robertus Shepherd; Anna Finnity
Notes: Ipse die 29a Octobris 1913 in Ecclesia Stae. Mariae apud Horwich matrimonium
contraxit cum Lilia filia Isaac et Lavinae Squelch.
Baptised by: F. Alexio Bulens O.S.F.
Register: Baptisms 1882 - 1888, Page 50
Source: Original Register


Baptism: 10 Feb 1889 St Mary, Horwich, Lancashire, England
Maria Anna Tarpey - filia Jacobi Tarpey & Mariae Annae (formerly Lloyd)
Born: 25 Dec 1888
Godparents: Patritius McGowan; Catharine Hughes
Notes: Ipsa Maria Anna anno 1915 die 14 Julii matrimonium contraxit cum Thoma
Swindells (sub dispe. in mixta religione) in hac Ecclesia S. Mariae apud Horwich. T. Moylan
Baptised by: Joseph Crilly
Register: Baptisms 1884 - 1893, Page 22, Entry 106
Source: Original Register


Baptism: 13 Sep 1891 St Mary, Horwich, Lancashire, England
Joannis Tarpey - filius Jacobi Tarpey & Mariae (formerly Lloyd)
Born: 10 Aug 1891
Godparents: Petrus Hughes; Margarita Hughes
Baptised by: Joseph Crilly
Register: Baptisms 1884 - 1893, Page 47, Entry 241
Source: Original Register



Baptism: 17 Jun 1894 St Mary, Horwich, Lancashire, England
Catherina Tarpey - filia Jacobi Tarpey & Maria Annae (formerly Lloyd)
Born: 17 May 1894
Godparents: Jacobus Walsh; Maria Anna Kelly
Baptised by: Joseph Crilly
Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1907, Page 20, Entry 460
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives



Baptism: 26 Jul 1896 St Mary, Horwich, Lancashire, England
Helena Tarpey - filia Jacobi Tarpey & Mariae (formerly Lloyd)
Born: 9 Jul 1896
Godparents: Edwardus Donnelly; Maria Joanna Bambrough
Baptised by: J. Crilly, Misso. Aposto.
Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1907, Page 54, Entry 628
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives

Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index

First name(s) James
Last name Tarpey
Sex Male
Marriage year 1880
Parish Roman Catholic Chapel
Place Ilkeston
Spouse's first name Mary Ann
Spouse's last name Lloyd
County Derbyshire
Country England
Register Office 685
Reference RO/22/047

Thank you for those So I'm looking for Maria Lloyd and the connection with the 2 John Lloyds her Nephews

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Kay Street, Openshaw, Chorlton, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Lloyd Head - Male 44 1827 smith- Lancashire, England
Chatter Lloyd Wife - Female 42 1829 - Lancashire, England
Thomas Lloyd Son - Male 21 1850 - Lancashire, England
Joseph Lloyd Son - Male 19 1852 - Lancashire, England
John Lloyd Son - Male 15 1856 - Lancashire, England
>>Mary Lloyd Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Lancashire, England
William Lloyd Son - Male 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
Edward Lloyd Son - Male 4 1867 - Lancashire, England



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

23, Garden Street, Salford, Lancashire, England

>>John Lloyd Head Married Male 34 1827 Blacksmith Manchester, Lancashire, England
Catherine Lloyd Wife Married Female 32 1829 - Salford, Lancashire, England
Joseph Lloyd Son - Male 9 1852 - Salford, Lancashire, England
John Lloyd Son - Male 3 1858 - Salford, Lancashire, England
>>Mary A Lloyd Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Openshaw, Lancashire, England


and we're back to the 1851 that we started with.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Back Shaw Street, Manchester, Salford, Lancashire, England

Thomas Lloyd Head Widowed Male 44 1807 Master Blacksmith Manchester, Lancashire, England
>>John Lloyd Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Jyman Blacksmith Salford, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lloyd Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Striker To Smith Salford, Lancashire, England
James Lloyd Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Striker To Smith Salford, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lloyd Gson Unmarried Male 1 1850 - Salford, Lancashire, England
Richard Hughes Visitor Unmarried Male 22 1829 Filer And Fitter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Price Visitor Unmarried Male 22 1829 Jyman Mechanic Wales
Ann Lloyd Visitor Married Female 46 1805 - Bolton, Lancashire, England

LLOYD, JOSEPH FLOOD
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 70

LLOYD, JOHN FLOOD
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 32

LLOYD, MARY ANN FLOOD
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 457


Mary Ann's parents marriage.

England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Catharine
Last name Flood
Name note -
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 13 Jun 1852
Marriage place Manchester
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Lloyd
Spouse's age -
County Lancashire

Thank you I've just got those
I didn't have John Lloyd 1827 on my tree so that's why I was struggling Now I've got him and his wife Chattie…… So I can follow the family down and yes 1901 census John Lloyd is her nephew

No bother, I would assume her nephews are both sons of her brothers as they are both John Lloyds. I'll leave you to look for them but let us know if you need another hand.

That's what was getting me one of them is her cousins son I think but it will give me something to check on tomorrow