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Hi all, I am trying to trace the family of my 2 x ggrandmother Elizabeth Ann Carter born Portsea 1851/52. Her father is mentioned as Henry Carter a shoemaker on her marriage to Edward Beck 1870. I have drawn a blank on finding her family and wondered if anyone has her in their tree or any knowledge about her family. Thanks in advance, Bev

For our reference - husband's name George Edward Beck:

Elizabeth Ann Carter
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Elizabeth Ann Carter
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Portsea Island
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 857
Records on Page:
Name
George Edward Beck
Elizabeth Ann Carter


Elizh Ann Beck
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Elizh Ann Beck
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsmouth Hampshire England
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 1129
Folio: 28
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Beck 21
Elizh Ann Beck 18


Elizabeth Beck
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Beck
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Edward Beck
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 32 Marylebone St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors:
Piece: 1155
Folio: 68
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Beck 28
Elizabeth Beck 27
Edward Beck 9
William Beck 7
Frederick Beck 5
Rose Beck 3
Harriet Beck 1
Amelia Jones 27
Alice Wheeler 32
James Wheeler 10

??????
Name: Elizabeth Ann Carter
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Havant
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 329

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CARTER, ELIZABETH ANN CARPENTER
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in HAVANT Volume 02B Page 329

No, that one's father was James:


Elizabeth Ann Carter
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elizabeth Ann Carter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1854
Baptism Place: Havant, Hampshire, England
Father: James Carter
Mother: Miriam
FHL Film Number: 1596166
Reference ID: item 1 p 59 & 60


And she died in infancy:

CARTER, ELIZABETH ANN 3
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in HAVANT Volume 02B Page 197

Her brother was with them in 1891:

Name: George Carter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Event Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Portsea, Hampshire, England
Event Place Note: Town Street
County: Hampshire
Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST MARY KINGSTON
Enumeration District: 6
Registration District: Portsea Island
Gender: Male
Age: 46
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Birth Year (Estimated): 1845
Birthplace: Hampshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wifes Brother
Page Number: 25
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 866/ 134
Affiliate Record Type: Household
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1891/0866/0271&parentid=GBC/1891/0006750096


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edward Beck Head M 40 Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Beck Wife F 38 Hampshire, England
Edward Beck Son M 19 Hampshire, England
William Beck Son M 17 Hampshire, England
Frederick Beck Son M 15 Hampshire, England
Rose A Beck Daughter F 13 Hampshire, England
Harriet Beck Daughter F 11 Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Beck Daughter F 9 Hampshire, England
Maud Beck Daughter F 5 Hampshire, England
Richard Beck Son M 3 Hampshire, England
Jane Beck Daughter F 0 Hampshire, England
George Carter Wifes Brother M 46 Hampshire, England

Rose

CARTER, LYDIA ELLEN CARPENTER
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in HAVANT Volume 07 Page 109

maybe not them as parents are james and miriam

???

Henry Carter
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Henry Carter
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Southsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 643
Folio: 132
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Carter 46 - joiner (Dock Yard)
Elizabeth Carter 37
Elizabeth Benstead 3 - niece, Portsea. [Age corrected to 8 by an Ancestry user.]


???

BINSTEAD, ELIZABETH mms THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 02B Page 382


Marriages Dec 1848 (>99%)
BINSTEAD George Portsea I 7 267
THOMAS Sarah Ann Portsea 7 267

The brother George who was with Edward and Elizabeth in 1891 only confuses things more:

[EDIT:
NO, not this one. This one's born in Warblington, per censuses, and is with his wife Marie in 1891.]

CARTER, GEORGE mms CARPENTER
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in HAVANT UNION Volume 07 Page 102


George Carter
in the 1851 England Census
Name: George Carter
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Carter
Mother's name: Mirian Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Warblington, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Havant
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Havant
Sub-registration district: Havant
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 1656
Folio: 119
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Carter 40
Mirian Carter 27
James Carter 5
George Carter 4
William Carter 2
Lydia Carter 1
Sarah Carter 17
Emily Woods 13

What's her address on the marriage certificate and who are the witnesses?

Rose

George (mms Carpenter) isn't the right one. Born Warblington per censusses with his parents James and Miriam.
He's with his wife Marie in 1891 .


Not this one either:

CARTER, GEORGE WILLIAM mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 07 Page 133

Parents are George and Amelia.
He does have a sister Eliza, but born 1847, and she's still with her parents in 1871..

ancestry version of 1891 census gives diffferent age

Name: George Carter
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Relationship: Wife Brother (Ambiguous)
Birth Year: 1860
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston St Mary
Residence Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Landport
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 866
Folio: 134
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Beck 40
Elisabeth Beck 38
Edward Beck 19
William Beck 15
Frederick Beck 15
Rose A Beck 13
Harriet Beck 11
Elisabeth Beck 9
Maud Beck 5
Richard Beck 3
Jane Beck 7/12
George Carter 31 ---- 31 on image


???
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Portsea Island Union Workhouse, Milton Portsea, Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire, England

First name(s) George
Last name Carter
Relationship Pauper
Marital status -
Sex Male
Age 11
Birth year 1860
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth place England
Birth county Hampshire
Birth county as transcribed HAMPSHIRE
House name -
Street Portsea Island Union Workhouse, Milton Portsea
Parish Portsea
Town -
City Portsmouth
County Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Portsea Island
Vessel name -
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 1130
Folio 156
Page 15

Several possibilities - haven't investigated any of them yet:

CARTER, GEORGE mms MITCHENER
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 362

CARTER, GEORGE CHARLES mms BARCLAY
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 401

CARTER, GEORGE THOMAS mms KING
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 419

CARTER, GEORGE THOMAS mms GILES
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 419

GEORGE
Last name CARTER
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1860
, Mary Ann Barclay

GEORGE
Last name CARTER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1860
Registration month
Jane Mitchener
District Kingsclere

GEORGE
Last name CARTER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1855
Mary Jane King
Portsea

EDWARD
Last name CARTER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1845
Registration month -
Mary Ann Giles,
Portsea

HARRY
Last name CARTER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1856
Registration month -
Elizabeth Giles,
Romsey

The Harry Carter/Elizabeth Giles marriage might fit the 1861 census I posted earlier (at 11:32), with Henry and Elizabeth Carter and niece Elizabeth Binstead.

I had wondered if the Carters might have adopted Elizabeth , or at least she might have been using their name by the time she married.

BUT -
that Elizabeth had no middle name at birth.

And she couldn't be the niece of a Carter/Giles couple when her mms was Thomas.
(Maybe it doesn't mean literally "niece" ?).

And Henry's not a shoemaker.

Henry in 1851:

Henry Carter
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Henry Carter
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Carter
Mother's name: Ann Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 1w
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 1659
Folio: 409
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
William Carter 67
Ann Carter 66
Henry Carter 36 - joiner (something) Dock Yard

A G

I've been looking at this, but can't solve the puzzle.

I think Henry worked at H M Dockyard ( the H looks the same as that on Head )

Rose Ann Beck and a William Hennery Dowden was the witnesses. Rose is the sister of Edward her husband. I am just foxed about it as ive been through different families and e.g James and Miriam Carter as parents just doesnt add up. Ive even tried to go through DNA matches on Ancestry and i end up completely bogged down and off track! I have a DNA match with 2 people 20-22 centimorgans who have a James Carter born 1832 Gosport who possibly could be a father but even their trees do not seem to link with my Elizabeth. Thats aside from the fact she has stated her father as Henry the shoemaker! I also cant find her on an 1861 census which would possibly solve some of the puzzle . Thanks all, Bev

Did you see my message about her address in 1870? Have you looked for that address in 1871?

Rose

Hi Rose, unfortunately it just says southsea . Regards