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Elizabeth Snowdon

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 May 2020 20:01

Possibly May Elliot, another spinster teacher ?? May, Janet, and Ann were all of the age-group who might have lost potential husbands in WW1.

May Elliot
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: May Elliot
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 31 Aug 1888
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 65 Upperby Rd
Residence Place: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Occupation: Head Teacher (School)
Schedule Number: 183
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: HABD
Registration district: 574/1
Household Members:
Name
Mary Elliot
May Elliot


??
May Elliot
in the 1901 England Census
Name: May Elliot
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: John Elliot
Mother: Mary Elliot
Birth Place: Cumb, Hesket
Civil Parish: Hesket
Ecclesiastical parish: Armathwaite
Town: Armathwaite
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Penrith
Sub-registration district: Kirkoswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Piece: 4857
Folio: 118
Page Number: 27
Household schedule number: 186
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elliot 43
Mary Elliot 41
Eliza M Elliot 15
May Elliot 12
Lily Elliot 12
John Stephenson 18
John Moffat 15

alviegal

alviegal Report 14 May 2020 19:41

I'm also waiting for a certificate from GRO, only been a couple of weeks though.

This is Janet's baptism. As you can see, it's the right time of the year but the year is out by 1, going by the 1939 register.

Cumberland Baptisms

First name(s) Janet
Last name Snowdon
Birth year 1898
Birth date ? ? 1898
Baptism year 1898
Baptism date 05 Nov 1898
Parish Melmerby
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Eleanor
Mother's last name Snowdon



The two ladies mentioned in Janet's probate.

1939
School House Melmerly, Penrith R.D., Cumberland, England

Ferguson (Smart) household
(5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Martha C Ferguson (Smart) 14 Sep 1874 Female Secretarial Shorthand Typist Single 121 1
>>Ann F Harding 30 Apr 1885 Female Teacher Single 121 2
James Smart 15 Mar 1923 Male At School Single 121 3
Sarah Smart 11 Nov 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 121 4
Martha C Ferguson (Smart) 14 Sep 1914 Female Short Hand Typist Single 121 1

Not far from the Temperance Hotel.




1911 Census For England & Wales

19 Pow Street Workington Cumberland, Workington, Cumberland, England

Martha Harding Head Widow Female 57 1854 Grocer Shopkeeper Cumb Workington
James Harding Son Single Male 23 1888 Marine Engineer Cumb Workington
>>Ann Ferguson Harding Daughter Single Female 25 1886 Assistant Teacher Cumb Workington
Sarah Smart Daughter Married Female 30 1881 - Cumb Workington
Fanny Ferguson Smart - Single Female 57 1854 Sick Nurse Cumb Workington





And possible for May.



1939
65 Upperby Road, Carlisle C.B., Cumberland, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Mary Elliot 02 Apr 1859 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 183 1
>>May Elliot 31 Aug 1888 Female Head Teacher (School) Single 183 2



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Nelson Hill, Armathwaite, Hesket in the Forest, Penrith, Cumberland, England

John Elliot Head Married Male 43 1858 Farmer Scotland
Mary Elliot Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Milford, Northumberland, England
Elizabeth M Elliot Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - Cumberland, England
>>May Elliot Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Cumberland, England
Lily Elliot Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Cumberland, England
John Stephenson Servant Single Male 18 1883 Horseman On Farm Houghton, Cumberland, England
John Moffat Servant Single Male 15 1886 Cattleman Cumberland, England

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 14 May 2020 17:31

So it looks like the hotel was actually sold in 1934 to Miss Toppin and that's when the Snowdons moved out. It looks like the correct Janet, everything seems to fit. I guess I could get the birth certificate for her and see if the dates match up. I'll have to wait a while though, it seems the GRO site is not working now. I've had a certificate on order for two months now and haven't received it.

Thanks for all your hard work.


greyghost

greyghost Report 14 May 2020 15:13

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk

Probate for the above death -

SNOWDON Janet of 24 Cumwhinton Road, Carlisle spinster died 26 May 1947 at Cumberland Infirmary Carlisle Probate Carlisle 6 October to May Elliot and Ann Ferguson Harding spinster Effects £2247 7s 4d

Copies of will can be obtained through the site - may give some clues? £1.50
The ladies named will be executors but not necessarily beneficiaries.

alviegal

alviegal Report 14 May 2020 14:51

Could this be Janet?


England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) JANET
Last name SNOWDON
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1899
Age 48
Death quarter 2
Death year 1947
District Carlisle
County Cumberland
Volume 1A
Page 60


1939
24 Cumwhinton Road, Carlisle C.B., Cumberland, England

Snowdon household
(2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Janet Snowdon 11 Oct 1899 Female Teacher Of Music Single 126 1
Mary W M Cochrane 20 Jan 1893 Female Civil Servant Area Officer (Uap) Married 126 2

alviegal

alviegal Report 14 May 2020 13:50

Found a few more newspaper snippits. I have fmp and this time I put Temperance Hotel in the name section and Melmerby in the What Else box.

The Newin House Temperance Hotel, a popular summer resort for cyclists and visitors at Melmerby, was offered at an auction sale on Tuesday afternoon in St Andrew's Parish Rooms, Penrith by Messrs Thornborrow and Co. The owner and occupier of the premises, Miss A Toppin, was retiring because of ill health.
An opening bid of £200 was received but as the reserve price had not been reached at £300 and no further bids were forthcoming the property was withdrawn.

19 December 1939 - Penrith Observer - Penrith, Cumberland, England




NEWIN HOUSE TEMPERANCE HOTEL
The house occupies an attractive position overlooking the village green, is in a good state of structural and decorative repair and contains 2 reception rooms, 3 bedrooms, bathroom and good Domestic offices. Electric light is installed and the outbuildings include Garage. The house is double fronted and the rooms are of good proportions and well lighted. For many years it has had agood connection as a boarding house for summer visitors and is an official C.T.C house. VACANT POSSESSION at Candlemas, 1940. The property may be viewed any week day by giving one day’s notice to the owner. Miss A. Toppin, and further information obtained from MESSRS. CANT AND FAIRER. Solicitors ~Penrith, or the Auctioneers,
02 December 1939 - Newcastle Journal - Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England



1939
Temperance Hotel, Penrith R.D., Cumberland, England

Toppin household
(1 person)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Ann (Anne) Toppin 19 Sep 1862 Female Hotel Proprietress Single 115 1


She died in 1943.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 13 May 2020 21:44

It certainly looks as though Eleanor died but why we can't find her it stumps me. I tried looking for Eleanor or Janet on 1939 register but I couldn't read the image. I'm happy that you found the info about the Temperance Hotel ownership for me though.

I don't live in the UK but on a visit there several years ago, I made a brief visit to Melmerby. It's a small village - like going back in time - quite charming, but you'd think it would be easy to find info when the place is so small. I couldn't even search the churchyard because of some restoration work being carried out.

Thanks for your help.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 May 2020 20:57

I had wondered about this marriage:

Eleanor Snowdon
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Eleanor Snowdon
Spouse Surname: Taylor
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Alnwick
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 1036
Records on Page:
Name
Eleanor Snowdon
Matthew W Taylor


Matthew Williamson Taylor
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Matthew Williamson Taylor
Birth Place: Alnwick, Northumberland
Death Date: 22 Jul 1915
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Alnwick, Northumberland
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment: Northumberland Fusiliers
Battalion: 1st 7th Battalion (Territorials)
Regimental Number: 1959
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre


BUT -
that's probably this Eleanor, also born in 1866:

Eleanor Snowdon
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eleanor Snowdon
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1866
Baptism Place: Alnwick, Northumberland, England
Father: John Snowdon
Mother: Henrietta Snowdon
FHL Film Number: 1469100
Reference ID: item 1 p 122


SNOWDON, ELEANOR mms GRAY
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in ALNWICK Volume 10B Page 332

This is your Eleanor's birth:

SNOWDON, ELEANOR mms DODD
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 377


As her daughter Janet is living with Elizabeth in 1911, it would seem quite likely that Eleanor had died - but I can't see her death either.


Actually, there are a surprising number of Eleanor Snowdons in the north of England around that time, so the marriage above is only one of many possibiities.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 13 May 2020 19:33

That's a lot of great information, thank you. So it looks like the papers by Arthur Stevens were correct and the hotel was sold … wonder who bought it. Looking at the information, it looks like Janet maybe continued running the hotel after Elizabeth's death but I wonder what happened to her mother, Eleanor. I haven't been able to find a death ref for her. It all begins to make sense now, especially with that death reference for Elizabeth.

How did you find the newspaper references, I can never find anything like that.

Thanks so much for all this.

alviegal

alviegal Report 13 May 2020 13:10

MELMERBY Accommodation for visitors in nice country villa. Terms moderate E. Snowdon, Temperance Hotel, Melmerby, Carlisle.
11 June 1925 - Shields Daily News - Tynemouth, Northumberland, England


FORTHCOMING SALES Monday, 29th--Miss Snowdon, Temperance Hotel, Melmerby—Furniture and Poultry.
23 January 1934 - Penrith Observer - Penrith, Cumberland, England


DECEMBER Tuesday, 12th—Newin Howse Temperance Hotel, Melmerby. Vacant Possession, Candlemas (if not previously sold by Private Treaty). MELMERBY. 8 1/2 Miles from Penrith on the main road between Newcastle and the Lake District.
28 November 1939 - Penrith Observer - Penrith, Cumberland, England


These are the only newspaper references I can find.

alviegal

alviegal Report 13 May 2020 12:55

Stanley.

1911 Census For England & Wales

Unthank Hall Unthank Near Skelton, Skelton, Cumberland, England

James Rowlandson Head Married Male 34 1877 Farmer Westmorland Crosby Garrett
Ann Rowlandson Wife Married Female 25 1886 - Cumberland Camrew
William Whitelock Rowlandson Son - Male 1 1910 - Cumberland Catterlen
Robert Hodgson Servant Single Male 17 1894 Farm Labourer Westmoreland Clifton
>>Stanley Deark Snowden Servant Single Male 19 1892 Farm Labourer Cumberland Melmerby
Alexander Thomlinson Servant Single Male 18 1893 Farm Labourer Cumberland Lazonby
Albert Hodgson Servant Single Male 14 1897 Farm Labourer Westmorland Clifton
Kate Amison Servant Single Female 26 1885 Domestic Servant Cumberland Hesket Peir Market



1939 Register logo

Deark S (Stanley D) Snowdon's life in 1939
New House Melmerly, Penrith R.D., Cumberland, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Deark S (Stanley D) Snowdon 13 Mar 1892 Male Farmer Married 104 1
Hannah E Snowdon 03 Oct 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Married 104 2



STANLEY DEARK
Last name SNOWDON
Gender Male
Birth day 13
Birth month 3
Birth year 1892
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1978
District Appleby
County Westmorland
Volume 1
Page 0006

alviegal

alviegal Report 13 May 2020 12:49

1911 Census For England & Wales

Melmerby Langwathby, Melmerby, Cumberland, England

Elizabeth Snowdon Head Single Female 62 1849 Temperature Hotel Keeper Armathwaite Cumberland
Janet Snowdon Niece - Female 12 1899 Scholar Armathwaite Cumberland


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Temperance Hotel, Melmerby, Penrith, Cumberland, England

Elizabeth Snowdon Head Single Female 52 1849 Hotel (Temperance) Armathwaite, Cumberland, England
Eleanor Snowdon Sister Single Female 33 1868 Hotel (Temperance) Melmerby, Cumberland, England
Stanley D Snowdon Nephew - Male 9 1892 - Melmerby, Cumberland, England
Janet Snowdon Niece - Female 2 1899 - Melmerby, Cumberland, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 13 May 2020 12:45

England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Snowdon
Death year 1932
Death date 22 Dec 1932
Probate year 1933
Probate date 18 Jan 1933
Residence town -
Registry Carlisle
County Cumberland
Linked persons Janet Snowdon

Elizabeth, of the Temperance Hotel, Melmerby. Probate to Janet Snowdon.

can be seen on https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk

safc

safc Report 13 May 2020 01:13

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Record Transcription:
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
What can I do with this record?
View Image
Add To Tree
Report an Error
Order an official copy

from the UK General Register Office:
Order Certificate
Is this the same person?
We've found the following potential record matches for the same person in other record sets
Elizabeth Snowdon
Census Record
Cumberland, England
Year of census: 1851
Elizabeth Snowdon
Parish Baptisms Record
Cumberland, England
Year of birth: 1848
First name(s) ELIZABETH
Last name SNOWDON
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1848
Age 84
Death quarter 4
Death year 1932
District Penrith
County Cumberland
Volume 10B
Page 567
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 13 May 2020 01:01

Well, different site and I've found Elizabeth on 1911 census - she's still at the Temperance Hotel but only with her niece (Eleanor's daughter).

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 13 May 2020 00:49

I'm trying to find what happened to Elizabeth Snowdon after the 1901 census.

Elizabeth was born 1848 to parents Edward Snowdon and Ann Dodd - Melmerby, Cumberland. Edward and Ann ran the Temperance Hotel in Melmerby. Edward died in 1886 but in 1891 census Ann is still running the hotel with son William and daughters Eleanor and Grace. Ann died in 1899 and in 1901 census the hotel is being run by Ann's daughter, Elizabeth (b. 1848) and Eleanor (b. 1866) and Eleanor's two children. I can't find Elizabeth or Eleanor in 1911 census.

Now apparently there are some old papers written by an Arthur E. Stevens of Keynsham, Somerset, saying that the Snowdons left the Temperance Hotel in February 1934 after 70 years. I've tried googling these papers but can't find any reference to them. If this 1934 date is correct then either Elizabeth and Eleanor were still running the hotel in 1911 or another Snowdon was, but I can't find them. Any help here would be appreciated. Thanks.