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14 May 2020 20:01 |
Possibly May Elliot, another spinster teacher ?? May, Janet, and Ann were all of the age-group who might have lost potential husbands in WW1.
May Elliot in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: May Elliot Gender: Female Marital status: Single Birth Date: 31 Aug 1888 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 65 Upperby Rd Residence Place: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Occupation: Head Teacher (School) Schedule Number: 183 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: HABD Registration district: 574/1 Household Members: Name Mary Elliot May Elliot
?? May Elliot in the 1901 England Census Name: May Elliot Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: John Elliot Mother: Mary Elliot Birth Place: Cumb, Hesket Civil Parish: Hesket Ecclesiastical parish: Armathwaite Town: Armathwaite County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street address: Registration district: Penrith Sub-registration district: Kirkoswald ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: Piece: 4857 Folio: 118 Page Number: 27 Household schedule number: 186 Household Members: Name Age John Elliot 43 Mary Elliot 41 Eliza M Elliot 15 May Elliot 12 Lily Elliot 12 John Stephenson 18 John Moffat 15
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alviegal
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14 May 2020 19:41 |
I'm also waiting for a certificate from GRO, only been a couple of weeks though.
This is Janet's baptism. As you can see, it's the right time of the year but the year is out by 1, going by the 1939 register.
Cumberland Baptisms
First name(s) Janet Last name Snowdon Birth year 1898 Birth date ? ? 1898 Baptism year 1898 Baptism date 05 Nov 1898 Parish Melmerby Father's first name(s) - Father's last name - Mother's first name(s) Eleanor Mother's last name Snowdon
The two ladies mentioned in Janet's probate.
1939 School House Melmerly, Penrith R.D., Cumberland, England
Ferguson (Smart) household (5 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Martha C Ferguson (Smart) 14 Sep 1874 Female Secretarial Shorthand Typist Single 121 1 >>Ann F Harding 30 Apr 1885 Female Teacher Single 121 2 James Smart 15 Mar 1923 Male At School Single 121 3 Sarah Smart 11 Nov 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 121 4 Martha C Ferguson (Smart) 14 Sep 1914 Female Short Hand Typist Single 121 1
Not far from the Temperance Hotel.
1911 Census For England & Wales
19 Pow Street Workington Cumberland, Workington, Cumberland, England
Martha Harding Head Widow Female 57 1854 Grocer Shopkeeper Cumb Workington James Harding Son Single Male 23 1888 Marine Engineer Cumb Workington >>Ann Ferguson Harding Daughter Single Female 25 1886 Assistant Teacher Cumb Workington Sarah Smart Daughter Married Female 30 1881 - Cumb Workington Fanny Ferguson Smart - Single Female 57 1854 Sick Nurse Cumb Workington
And possible for May.
1939 65 Upperby Road, Carlisle C.B., Cumberland, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Mary Elliot 02 Apr 1859 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 183 1 >>May Elliot 31 Aug 1888 Female Head Teacher (School) Single 183 2
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Nelson Hill, Armathwaite, Hesket in the Forest, Penrith, Cumberland, England
John Elliot Head Married Male 43 1858 Farmer Scotland Mary Elliot Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Milford, Northumberland, England Elizabeth M Elliot Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - Cumberland, England >>May Elliot Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Cumberland, England Lily Elliot Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Cumberland, England John Stephenson Servant Single Male 18 1883 Horseman On Farm Houghton, Cumberland, England John Moffat Servant Single Male 15 1886 Cattleman Cumberland, England
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Yvonne
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14 May 2020 17:31 |
So it looks like the hotel was actually sold in 1934 to Miss Toppin and that's when the Snowdons moved out. It looks like the correct Janet, everything seems to fit. I guess I could get the birth certificate for her and see if the dates match up. I'll have to wait a while though, it seems the GRO site is not working now. I've had a certificate on order for two months now and haven't received it.
Thanks for all your hard work.
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14 May 2020 15:13 |
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk
Probate for the above death -
SNOWDON Janet of 24 Cumwhinton Road, Carlisle spinster died 26 May 1947 at Cumberland Infirmary Carlisle Probate Carlisle 6 October to May Elliot and Ann Ferguson Harding spinster Effects £2247 7s 4d
Copies of will can be obtained through the site - may give some clues? £1.50 The ladies named will be executors but not necessarily beneficiaries.
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alviegal
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14 May 2020 14:51 |
Could this be Janet?
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
First name(s) JANET Last name SNOWDON Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1899 Age 48 Death quarter 2 Death year 1947 District Carlisle County Cumberland Volume 1A Page 60
1939 24 Cumwhinton Road, Carlisle C.B., Cumberland, England
Snowdon household (2 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Janet Snowdon 11 Oct 1899 Female Teacher Of Music Single 126 1 Mary W M Cochrane 20 Jan 1893 Female Civil Servant Area Officer (Uap) Married 126 2
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alviegal
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14 May 2020 13:50 |
Found a few more newspaper snippits. I have fmp and this time I put Temperance Hotel in the name section and Melmerby in the What Else box.
The Newin House Temperance Hotel, a popular summer resort for cyclists and visitors at Melmerby, was offered at an auction sale on Tuesday afternoon in St Andrew's Parish Rooms, Penrith by Messrs Thornborrow and Co. The owner and occupier of the premises, Miss A Toppin, was retiring because of ill health. An opening bid of £200 was received but as the reserve price had not been reached at £300 and no further bids were forthcoming the property was withdrawn.
19 December 1939 - Penrith Observer - Penrith, Cumberland, England
NEWIN HOUSE TEMPERANCE HOTEL The house occupies an attractive position overlooking the village green, is in a good state of structural and decorative repair and contains 2 reception rooms, 3 bedrooms, bathroom and good Domestic offices. Electric light is installed and the outbuildings include Garage. The house is double fronted and the rooms are of good proportions and well lighted. For many years it has had agood connection as a boarding house for summer visitors and is an official C.T.C house. VACANT POSSESSION at Candlemas, 1940. The property may be viewed any week day by giving one day’s notice to the owner. Miss A. Toppin, and further information obtained from MESSRS. CANT AND FAIRER. Solicitors ~Penrith, or the Auctioneers, 02 December 1939 - Newcastle Journal - Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
1939 Temperance Hotel, Penrith R.D., Cumberland, England
Toppin household (1 person) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Ann (Anne) Toppin 19 Sep 1862 Female Hotel Proprietress Single 115 1
She died in 1943.
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Yvonne
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13 May 2020 21:44 |
It certainly looks as though Eleanor died but why we can't find her it stumps me. I tried looking for Eleanor or Janet on 1939 register but I couldn't read the image. I'm happy that you found the info about the Temperance Hotel ownership for me though.
I don't live in the UK but on a visit there several years ago, I made a brief visit to Melmerby. It's a small village - like going back in time - quite charming, but you'd think it would be easy to find info when the place is so small. I couldn't even search the churchyard because of some restoration work being carried out.
Thanks for your help.
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ArgyllGran
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13 May 2020 20:57 |
I had wondered about this marriage:
Eleanor Snowdon in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Eleanor Snowdon Spouse Surname: Taylor Registration Year: 1915 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Alnwick Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 1036 Records on Page: Name Eleanor Snowdon Matthew W Taylor
Matthew Williamson Taylor in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 Name: Matthew Williamson Taylor Birth Place: Alnwick, Northumberland Death Date: 22 Jul 1915 Death Place: France and Flanders Enlistment Place: Alnwick, Northumberland Rank: Sergeant Regiment: Northumberland Fusiliers Battalion: 1st 7th Battalion (Territorials) Regimental Number: 1959 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
BUT - that's probably this Eleanor, also born in 1866:
Eleanor Snowdon in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Eleanor Snowdon Gender: Female Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1866 Baptism Place: Alnwick, Northumberland, England Father: John Snowdon Mother: Henrietta Snowdon FHL Film Number: 1469100 Reference ID: item 1 p 122
SNOWDON, ELEANOR mms GRAY GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in ALNWICK Volume 10B Page 332
This is your Eleanor's birth:
SNOWDON, ELEANOR mms DODD GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 377
As her daughter Janet is living with Elizabeth in 1911, it would seem quite likely that Eleanor had died - but I can't see her death either.
Actually, there are a surprising number of Eleanor Snowdons in the north of England around that time, so the marriage above is only one of many possibiities.
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Yvonne
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13 May 2020 19:33 |
That's a lot of great information, thank you. So it looks like the papers by Arthur Stevens were correct and the hotel was sold … wonder who bought it. Looking at the information, it looks like Janet maybe continued running the hotel after Elizabeth's death but I wonder what happened to her mother, Eleanor. I haven't been able to find a death ref for her. It all begins to make sense now, especially with that death reference for Elizabeth.
How did you find the newspaper references, I can never find anything like that.
Thanks so much for all this.
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alviegal
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13 May 2020 13:10 |
MELMERBY Accommodation for visitors in nice country villa. Terms moderate E. Snowdon, Temperance Hotel, Melmerby, Carlisle. 11 June 1925 - Shields Daily News - Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
FORTHCOMING SALES Monday, 29th--Miss Snowdon, Temperance Hotel, Melmerby—Furniture and Poultry. 23 January 1934 - Penrith Observer - Penrith, Cumberland, England
DECEMBER Tuesday, 12th—Newin Howse Temperance Hotel, Melmerby. Vacant Possession, Candlemas (if not previously sold by Private Treaty). MELMERBY. 8 1/2 Miles from Penrith on the main road between Newcastle and the Lake District. 28 November 1939 - Penrith Observer - Penrith, Cumberland, England
These are the only newspaper references I can find.
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alviegal
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13 May 2020 12:55 |
Stanley.
1911 Census For England & Wales
Unthank Hall Unthank Near Skelton, Skelton, Cumberland, England
James Rowlandson Head Married Male 34 1877 Farmer Westmorland Crosby Garrett Ann Rowlandson Wife Married Female 25 1886 - Cumberland Camrew William Whitelock Rowlandson Son - Male 1 1910 - Cumberland Catterlen Robert Hodgson Servant Single Male 17 1894 Farm Labourer Westmoreland Clifton >>Stanley Deark Snowden Servant Single Male 19 1892 Farm Labourer Cumberland Melmerby Alexander Thomlinson Servant Single Male 18 1893 Farm Labourer Cumberland Lazonby Albert Hodgson Servant Single Male 14 1897 Farm Labourer Westmorland Clifton Kate Amison Servant Single Female 26 1885 Domestic Servant Cumberland Hesket Peir Market
1939 Register logo
Deark S (Stanley D) Snowdon's life in 1939 New House Melmerly, Penrith R.D., Cumberland, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Deark S (Stanley D) Snowdon 13 Mar 1892 Male Farmer Married 104 1 Hannah E Snowdon 03 Oct 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Married 104 2
STANLEY DEARK Last name SNOWDON Gender Male Birth day 13 Birth month 3 Birth year 1892 Age - Death quarter 4 Death year 1978 District Appleby County Westmorland Volume 1 Page 0006
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13 May 2020 12:49 |
1911 Census For England & Wales
Melmerby Langwathby, Melmerby, Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Snowdon Head Single Female 62 1849 Temperature Hotel Keeper Armathwaite Cumberland Janet Snowdon Niece - Female 12 1899 Scholar Armathwaite Cumberland
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Temperance Hotel, Melmerby, Penrith, Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Snowdon Head Single Female 52 1849 Hotel (Temperance) Armathwaite, Cumberland, England Eleanor Snowdon Sister Single Female 33 1868 Hotel (Temperance) Melmerby, Cumberland, England Stanley D Snowdon Nephew - Male 9 1892 - Melmerby, Cumberland, England Janet Snowdon Niece - Female 2 1899 - Melmerby, Cumberland, England
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alviegal
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13 May 2020 12:45 |
England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Snowdon Death year 1932 Death date 22 Dec 1932 Probate year 1933 Probate date 18 Jan 1933 Residence town - Registry Carlisle County Cumberland Linked persons Janet Snowdon
Elizabeth, of the Temperance Hotel, Melmerby. Probate to Janet Snowdon.
can be seen on https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk
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13 May 2020 01:13 |
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Record Transcription: England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 What can I do with this record? View Image Add To Tree Report an Error Order an official copy
from the UK General Register Office: Order Certificate Is this the same person? We've found the following potential record matches for the same person in other record sets Elizabeth Snowdon Census Record Cumberland, England Year of census: 1851 Elizabeth Snowdon Parish Baptisms Record Cumberland, England Year of birth: 1848 First name(s) ELIZABETH Last name SNOWDON Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1848 Age 84 Death quarter 4 Death year 1932 District Penrith County Cumberland Volume 10B Page 567 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Collections from Great Britain, England
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Yvonne
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13 May 2020 01:01 |
Well, different site and I've found Elizabeth on 1911 census - she's still at the Temperance Hotel but only with her niece (Eleanor's daughter).
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Yvonne
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13 May 2020 00:49 |
I'm trying to find what happened to Elizabeth Snowdon after the 1901 census.
Elizabeth was born 1848 to parents Edward Snowdon and Ann Dodd - Melmerby, Cumberland. Edward and Ann ran the Temperance Hotel in Melmerby. Edward died in 1886 but in 1891 census Ann is still running the hotel with son William and daughters Eleanor and Grace. Ann died in 1899 and in 1901 census the hotel is being run by Ann's daughter, Elizabeth (b. 1848) and Eleanor (b. 1866) and Eleanor's two children. I can't find Elizabeth or Eleanor in 1911 census.
Now apparently there are some old papers written by an Arthur E. Stevens of Keynsham, Somerset, saying that the Snowdons left the Temperance Hotel in February 1934 after 70 years. I've tried googling these papers but can't find any reference to them. If this 1934 date is correct then either Elizabeth and Eleanor were still running the hotel in 1911 or another Snowdon was, but I can't find them. Any help here would be appreciated. Thanks.
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