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Help with 1901 Census Please

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Carter

Carter Report 10 May 2020 13:52

Good afternoon
I am trying to find Robert Preston and his wife Jane Green on the 1901 Census

Robert was born 27th January 1877 in Pendleton Lancashire and married Jane Green 22nd May 1897

Robert Preston - 20, Soldier, Bachelor, Orford Barracks Jane Green - 19, Spinster, 25, Chorley St. Groom's Father: Joseph Preston, Blacksmith Bride's Father: Peter Green, Labourer Witness: James Tomlinson; Eliza Dunn Married by Banns

Orford Barracks are in Warrington Lancashire

They had 3 children all born in warrington Lancashire
George 1902
Ellen 1904
Lilian Pearson Preston 1906

I have no death for Robert Preston but his wife remarried in 1908 to Robert Pearson and they had 5 children
Jane 1909
Mona 1912
Doris 1919
Robert 1916
Edward 1918

I think its strange that the last child with the surname of Preston was Lilian Pearson Preston I was wondering if Jane was pregnant with Lilian and Robert Preston had died because there is only mention of Jane on the baptism . So perhaps Robert Pearson was the father but they weren't married

Baptism: 15 Jul 1906 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Lilian Pearson Preston - [Child] of Janie Preston
Born: 26 Jun 1906
Abode: Brick St.
Baptised by: G. F. Reynolds, Offg. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1900 - 1907, Page 352, Entry 2812
Source: Original Parish Register

Just would like to find Jane or Robert Preston on the 1901 Census

Any Help would be very much appreciated

Thanks Linda

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 May 2020 14:10

1911 for our info - Jane's age out from marriage cert.

1911 Census For England & Wales
29 Eldon St Warrington, Warrington, Lancashire & Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Pearson Head Married Male 29 1882 Tunners Labourer Liverpool Lancs
Jane Pearson Wife Married Female 31 1880 - Warrington Lancs
George Preston Son - Male 9 1902 - Warrington Lancs
Ellen Preston Stepdaughter - Female 7 1904 - Warrington Lancs
Lilian P Preston Stepdaughter - Female 5 1906 - Warrington Lancs
Jane Pearson Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Warrington Lancs
Lilian P Preston's Census Details

Odd that George is said to be son, but Lilian and Ellen described as Step children
EDIT - LancashireAnn has pointed out step son also written by George

Initially the years married says 3 and children born says 5 with 4 living and 1 died by 1911.

This has been changed to married 3 years with 1 born and 1 living

Carter

Carter Report 10 May 2020 14:17

Thank you greyghost. This family is giving me a headache.
I think Lilian is Robert Pearsons daughter if not why would she have a middle name of Pearson

This is Lillians marriage

Marriage: 27 Sep 1924 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
John Lionel Pendlebury - 19, Tanner, Bachelor, 87 Lythgoes Lane, Warrington
Lilian Pearson Preston - 19, Spinster, 96 School Brow, Warrington
Groom's Father: John Thomas Pendlebury, Coal Dealer
Bride's Father: Robert Charles Pearson Preston, Soap Worker
Witness: George Preston; Gladys Ellison
Married by Banns by: J. C. Longbottom, Assistant Curate
Register: Marriages 1921 - 1924, Page 234, Entry 467
Source: Original Parish Register

How strange is that

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 10 May 2020 14:32

If you look at the image for 1911 George is also described as step son mistranscribed. The 'step' is actual written after the name in the name column

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 May 2020 14:35

In Warrington for baptism of George late 1901 but doesn't mean they were there 1901 census time.

As Dad was a soldier he/they could have been away with his Regiment (Boer War was happening)


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PRESTON, GEORGE GREEN
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 222

Baptism: 25 Dec 1901 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
George Preston - [Child] of Robert Preston & Jane
Born: 3 Dec 1901
Abode: 33 Dakins Yard
Occupation: Soldier
Baptised by: Frederic W. Willis
Register: Baptisms 1900 - 1907, Page 96, Entry 766
Source: Original Parish Register

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PRESTON, ELLEN GREEN
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 243

Baptism: 28 Apr 1904 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Ellen Preston - [Child] of Robert Preston & Jane
Born: 8 Apr 1904
Abode: 17 Brook Street
Occupation: Soldier
Baptised by: Frederic W. Willis
Register: Baptisms 1900 - 1907, Page 240, Entry 1913
Source: Original Parish Register

Carter

Carter Report 10 May 2020 14:48

Thank you greyghost your findings are really appreciated .

Linda

Carter

Carter Report 10 May 2020 14:50

So I think Robert Preston died before 1906 when Lillian Pearson Preston was born

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 May 2020 16:05

British Army Service Records

First name(s) Robert
Last name Preston
Birth year 1876
Birth parish Pendleton
Birth town Manchester
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 2949
Regiment Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
Year 1893
Attestation date 02 Sep 1893
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 9
Attestation service number 2949
Attestation corps 4th Battalion N Lanc Regiment
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Archive
The National Archives
Archive reference WO 96
Box 839
Box record number 368
Record set British Army Service Records

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 10 May 2020 16:06

could this be Jane in 1901 - living with her parents . Robert possibly away in the Boer War and possibly killed in action out there


Name Age
Peter Green 47
Sarah Ellen Green 47
Jane Green 21
Ellen Green 19
John Green 17
Joshua Green 11
John Heartt 20

Carter

Carter Report 10 May 2020 16:16

Maddie thank you so much. gosh he was so young.

lancashireAnn thats a really good idea. . using her maiden name .

Anyone know where i can find casualties in Boer War

Thank you everyone

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 May 2020 16:23

there in nothing on fmp

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 May 2020 16:25

In 1899, the Loyal Regiment found itself assigned to South Africa. With hostilities seeming likely in the aftermath of the Jameson Raid, the De Beers company became increasingly concerned with the security of its operations in Kimberly. Although a town guard and other volunteer formations had been raised, the De Beers company and citizens of Kimberly petitioned for additional security measures. On 7 October 1899, an artillery battery and four companies of the Loyal North Lancashire Regiment were dispatched to secure the town under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Robert Kekewich. Five days later, with the start of hostilities, Boer forces arrived and began to beisolate Kimberley. For the next 126 days, the North Lancs and the local militias would be cut off and subjected to regular shelling from the Boer artillery. The siege was finally lifted when Brigadier-General Sir John French's Cavalry Division was able to break through the Boer lines on 15 February 1900.[3]

With its commander and four of its companies under siege in Kimberly, the balance of the 1st Battalion served with Lord Methuen. Together with the 1st Northumberland Fusiliers, 2nd Northampton Regiment, and 2nd King's Own (Yorkshire Light Infantry), they formed the 9th Brigade of the 1st Division. They served with 9th Brigade at the Battles of Belmont, Modder River and Magersfotein.[4]

Following the relief of Kimberly in February 1900, the reunited battalion would remain a part of Methuen's command until July, when it was detached to guard Oliphant's Nek. However, on 8 August, they abandoned this task at the orders of Colonel Baden-Powell and left the area unguarded. This allowed Christiaan de Wet to escape the British forces attempting to catch him. Although the Boer escaped, it was ruled that orders received by the Loyals were to blame, and the regiment escaped censure.[5]

The end of 1900 found 1st Loyals back with the 9th Brigade. As part of the brigade, they took part in actions around Klerksdorp. Remaining under Lord Methuen's command for the rest of the war, the Loyals provided men to be formed into mounted infantry companies as the war shifted from large engagements into a guerrilla war. The Loyals would continue to serve throughout the guerrilla phase, engaging Boer commandos on a number of occasions until the end of the war with the signing of the Treaty of Vereeniging on 31 May 1902.[5] Following the end of hostilities, 525 officers and men of the battalion left Cape Town in the SS Carisbrook Castle in September 1902, arriving at Southampton early the following month.[6]
Early 20th century

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 May 2020 16:34


All Web: South Africa, Second Boer War British Service Register, 1899-1902 results for Robert Preston
Results 1–13 of 13
View Record Name Military Rank Service Number Military Unit

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View Record R * Preston Private 72 Railway Pioneer Regiment
View Record R Preston Private 4155 Welch Regiment
View Record R Preston Private 3469 Northumberland Fusiliers
View Record R Preston Private 5017 King's Royal Rifle Corps
View Record R Preston Private 2379 West Kent Regiment
View Record R * Preston Private 1968 Scottish Rifles

Carter

Carter Report 10 May 2020 16:44

maddie what site is this please

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 May 2020 16:56

the boar war records from ancestry

Carter

Carter Report 10 May 2020 17:32

thank you maddie

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2020 17:35

From forces-war-records - (repeating those posted by Maddie) - but of course I don't know if any of these could be your Robert:


Robert Preston 72 Private 1902 Pioneer Regiment
R Preston 1819 Private 1905 Manchester Regiment
R Preston M2/020354 Private 1908 Army Service Corps
R Preston 3180134 1900 British Army
R Preston 2922395 1900 British Army
R Preston 1415516 1900 Royal Artillery
R Preston 744233 1897 Royal Artillery
R Preston Private 1906 Natal Rangers
R Preston 5017 Private 1900 King's Royal Rifle Corps
R Preston 5017 Rifleman 1902 King's Royal Rifle Corps
R Preston 1902 Grenadier Guards
R Preston 4155 Private 1900 Welsh Regiment
R Preston 3469 Private 1900 Northumberland Fusiliers

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2020 17:39

This is the one in the Pioneer Corps listed above:

Robert Preston
in the UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
Name: Robert Preston
Service Date: 1899-1902
Service Place: South Africa
Campaign or Service: South Africa - Second Boer War
Regiment or Unit Name: 1st Railway Pioneer Regiment
Regimental Number: 72

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2020 17:44

This is probably the one listed as 5017 above:

R Preston
in the UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
Name: R Preston
Service Date: 1899-1902
Service Place: South Africa
Campaign or Service: South Africa - Second Boer War
Regiment or Unit Name: 3rd Battalion King's Royal Rifle
Regimental Number: 5617

Transferred to 1st Battalion.
Document dated 31 July 1901, at Springs,Transvaal

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2020 17:50

R Preston
in the UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
Name: R Preston
Service Date: 1899-1902
Service Place: South Africa
Campaign or Service: South Africa - Second Boer War
Regiment or Unit Name: 3rd Battalion Scottish Rifles
Regimental Number: 1968



R Preston
in the UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
Name: R Preston
Service Date: 1899-1902
Service Place: South Africa
Campaign or Service: South Africa - Second Boer War
Regiment or Unit Name: Middlesex Regiment
Regimental Number: 19170519

(But the image linked to that on Ancestry is a document dated 1948 in Palestine - wrong document.)