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Hello I wonder if anyone could help me fin the parents of John Rowley born c1902

From his Marriage record in 1923 it states his father was George Rowley (Deceased)

Marriage: 8 Dec 1923 St John the Baptist, Atherton, Lancashire, England
John Rowley - 21, Collier, Bachelor, 6 Kings St.
Minnie Hilton - 22, Millworker, Spinster, 2 Chapel St.
Groom's Father: George Rowley, (deceased), Collier
Bride's Father: Albert Hilton, Collier
Witness: John Palmer; Sarah Ann Gilmore
Married by Banns by: S. J. Eastmead Priest
Register: Marriages 1917 - 1925, Page 208, Entry 416
Source: LDS Family Search

Atherton is a borough of Leigh Lancashire

Ive looked on bmd an there are no john rowley births in that area for 1900-1905

I found a death but this might not be him ???

Name: John Rowley
Death Age: 69
Birth Date: 3 Dec 1903
Registration Date: Apr 1973
[May 1973]
[Jun 1973]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 55

Any help would be very much appreciated

Thank you

1911 Census For England & Wales

14 Tunnicliffes Old Row Leigh, Leigh, Lancashire, England

George Rowley Head Married Male 35 1876 Colliery Labourer Underground Staffordshire Gunsall
Mary Ellizzeth Rowley Wife Married Female 35 1876 - L Ancs Westhoughton
Alice Rowley Daughter Single Female 14 1897 Colliery Labourer Above Ground Lancs Atherton
Annie Rowley Daughter Single Female 13 1898 - Lancs West Leigh
Edward Rowley Son Single Male 10 1901 - Lancs Howe Bridge
John Rowley Son Single Male 7 1904 - Lancs Staffordshire Tunstall
James Rowley Son Single Male 5 1906 - Lancs Leigh
George Rowley Son Single Male 2 1909 - Lancs Hindley
George Dutton Boarder Single Male 21 1890 Colliery Labourer Underground Lancs Westhoughton

1939

84 Formby Avenue, Atherton U.D., Lancashire, England
(2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Minnie Rowley 23 Oct 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 223 1
Edward W Rowley 22 Mar 1894 Male Colliery Surface Hand Single 223 2

1939 Register - looks to be Minnie, but John not there - possibly already in the forces?

84 Formby Avenue, Atherton U.D., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Minnie Rowley 23 Oct 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 223 1
Edward W Rowley 22 Mar 1894 Male Colliery Surface Hand Single 223 2
Ref: RG101/4700A/022/14 Letter Code: NTKH
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MINNIE
Last name ROWLEY
Gender Female
Birth day 23
Birth month 10
Birth year 1901
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1973
District Leigh
County Lancashire
Volume 10D
Page 41

john may have been in the forces in 1939

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
ROWLEY George HURST 1909 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/175/433

Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
ROWLEY Edward HERSTY 1901 Atherton Wigan & Leigh ATH/87/481

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
ROWLEY Alice HURST 1896 Atherton Wigan & Leigh ATH/77/270

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
ROWLEY Annie HURST 1898 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/6/29

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
Hurst Mary Leigh 8c 405 <<<<<<<<<
Rowley George Leigh 8c 405 <<<<<<<<
WARD James Leigh 8c 405
Whitehouse Charlotte Leigh 8c 405


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROWLEY, GEORGE HURST
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 99

ROWLEY, JAMES HURST
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 326

ROWLEY, EDWARD HURST
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 340

ROWLEY, ANNIE HURST
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 314

The original of the 1911 census says that George and Mary have been married for 16 years. They've had 8 children, 6 of whom are still alive and 2 died.

Mistakenly they have completed info about those 2 under the children who have died column

George and Emily. both have the number 2 by their names but think it relates to how many have died being put in the wrong place, rather than an age at death. Also written there is Male and Female

So looks as though George aged 2 on the census has been named for a deceased brother

John was NOT born in Lancashire - he was born in Tunstall, Staffs

GEORGE
Last name ROWLEY
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1896
Registration month -

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GEORGE ROWLEY married one of these people

Mary Hurst, Charlotte Whitehouse
District Leigh
District number -
County Lancashire

ROWLEY James HURST 1906 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/21/399
ROWLEY Edward HERSTY 1901 Atherton Wigan & Leigh
ATH/87/481

Name: Mary Elizabeth Hurst
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Rochdale
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 66

1901

Name: George Rowley
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary E Rowley
Birth Place: Not Known, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Leigh
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Ecclesiastical parish: Westleigh St Paul
Town: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Leigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3593
Folio: 151
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
George Rowley 23
Mary E Rowley 23
Alice Rowley 4
Annie Rowley 3
Rodger Lee 60
Ann Marsh 29
Robert Taylor 29

Thank you so much to everyone.
I went to peg some washing out and came back to all this information
Thank you once again

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROWLEY, GEORGE HURST
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 459

Possible death if John was born Staffs c1904 -

Name: Age at Death (in years):
ROWLEY, GEORGE 1
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 86

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROWLEY George HURST Mary 1896 Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/52/178

None of the info posted so far throws any light on John's birth

Could it be that if brother George died around the time John was born, then John's registration didn't happen?

? The birth and death of Emily

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROWLEY, EMILY HURST
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 318

Name: Age at Death (in years):
ROWLEY, EMILY 1
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 49

Thank you once again i will try and see if i can put all this together

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Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Chasetown
Church name (Links to more information) St Anne
Register type (Links to more information) Transcript
Baptism date 18 Jan 1903
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename George
Mother forename Mary Elizabeth
Father surname ROWLEY
Person abode Chase Terrace
Father occupation Miner
Transcribed by Christine Francis
File line number 2133

safc Thank you so much for your help.